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Old 10-15-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/polit...ill/index.html

A separate source said Hill also drew a link between Sondland and Trump in her testimony. Sondland and Trump "were in direct contact," Hill told the lawmakers, according to the source. This source said Hill said the contacts between Trump and Sondland went beyond the discussion about texts exchanged between Sondland and other American diplomats in Ukraine that have been made public.

https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/...82244827181057

Hill's testimony is devastating to Donald Trump. His impeachment by the House is all but guaranteed.
But was it illegal or merely not the normal way of doing things.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Right. Just like all the other times the looney left has tried.

I will say, however, that they might ….. that's might be able to impeach in the House IF the Dems are able to do it under their own rules. Forget about taking a vote, forget about due process, have your witnesses behind a curtain hiding like some sissy boys, and forget about Constitutional procedures. Then...maybe.

Throwing all the rules in the toilet is the Democratic way, especially when it comes to the crimes committed by your own corrupt candidates.

kind of reminds me of the nuclear option good ole Harry Reid put in place, change the rules with no thought
as how it will effect you when you're on the other side...this time they'll build the gallows before they have a trial....lol ...they just never learn...

next Democratic impeachment should be a hoot.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/polit...ill/index.html

A separate source said Hill also drew a link between Sondland and Trump in her testimony. Sondland and Trump "were in direct contact," Hill told the lawmakers, according to the source. This source said Hill said the contacts between Trump and Sondland went beyond the discussion about texts exchanged between Sondland and other American diplomats in Ukraine that have been made public.

https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/...82244827181057

Hill's testimony is devastating to Donald Trump. His impeachment by the House is all but guaranteed.
Devastating? LOL!

Trump was in contact with a diplomat? That's a problem?

And what do State Department protocols have to do with anything? Trump is the boss of the State department, not the other way around.

And how can Trump run a "shadow" foreign policy? US foreign policy is whatever he wants it to be, within limits imposed by treaties. It sounds like this woman is saying that she and other underlings were being insubordinate and trying to frustrate official policy.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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Devastating? LOL!

Trump was in contact with a diplomat? That's a problem?

And what do State Department protocols have to do with anything? Trump is the boss of the State department, not the other way around.

And how can Trump run a "shadow" foreign policy? US foreign policy is whatever he wants it to be, within limits imposed by treaties. It sounds like this woman is saying that she and other underlings were being insubordinate and trying to frustrate official policy.
If you don't see why Trump's personal attorney running a side operation aimed at secretly leveraging US soft power in exchange for manufactured dirt on his political rivals is problematic on any number of levels, I don't know what to tell you. That's more on you than it is on Fiona Hill.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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Fiona Hill is a "Obama leftover"? I would love for you to explain that one...
Fiona Hill (presidential advisor)

Having previously served as an intelligence officer under Presidents George W. Bush & Barack Obama from 2006-2009, Hill, in April 2017, was appointed by President Donald Trump as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for European and Russian Affairs on his National Security Council staff. Hill decided to step down from the position in August 2019. During her tenure, the United States' policy towards Russia was said to be "tougher than that of the Obama administration."
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:47 PM
 
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Fiona Hill (presidential advisor)

Having previously served as an intelligence officer under Presidents George W. Bush & Barack Obama from 2006-2009, Hill, in April 2017, was appointed by President Donald Trump as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for European and Russian Affairs on his National Security Council staff. Hill decided to step down from the position in August 2019. During her tenure, the United States' policy towards Russia was said to be "tougher than that of the Obama administration."
Uh huh. She was an intelligence officer when Bush and Obama were President. She was handpicked by Trump and worked closely with John Bolton. "Obama leftover" has the connotation of a political operative who worked closely with President Obama rather than an officer who stayed on to serve during the Obama presidency for a few months.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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If you don't see why Trump's personal attorney running a side operation aimed at secretly leveraging US soft power in exchange for manufactured dirt on his political rivals is problematic on any number of levels, I don't know what to tell you. That's more on you than it is on Fiona Hill.
If that's the problem, then why does Andrea Mitchell's Tweet ignore it and focus on these other obviously stupid claims? One explanation is that it's false or at least wildly exaggerated.

And when you say "manufactured dirt", do you mean something like the Steele "dossier"? If that's what the term means (and it certainly seems to), how can the Democrats say there's anything wrong with that?
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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If that's the problem, then why does Andrea Mitchell's Tweet ignore it and focus on these other obviously stupid claims? One explanation is that it's false or at least wildly exaggerated.

And when you say "manufactured dirt", do you mean something like the Steele "dossier"? If that's what the term means (and it certainly seems to), how can the Democrats say there's anything wrong with that?
If the Democrats abuse their official position(s) to leverage American soft power in exchange for drumming up a baseless criminal investigation of political rivals for personal political gain, you will hear me call them out too.

As it stands, the Steele Dossier was information gathering paid for by the DNC to a US company and did not involve using anyone's political office to strongarm a foreign leader into ginning up a fake criminal investigation. Legal, yet dirty politics? Sure. An despot-like abuse of office and American power? No.

These two things aren't remotely similar and I suspect your false equivalency is an attempt to distract from the indefensible.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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If the Democrats abuse their official position(s) to leverage American soft power in exchange for drumming up a baseless criminal investigation of political rivals for personal political gain, you will hear me call them out too.

As it stands, the Steele Dossier was information gathering paid for by the DNC to a US company and did not involve using anyone's political office to strongarm a foreign leader into ginning up a fake criminal investigation. Legal, yet dirty politics? Sure. An despot-like abuse of office and American power? No.

These two things aren't remotely similar . . . .
If it happened as you are claiming, they're exactly the same. The Steele "dossier" was "manufactured dirt" that was used to "gin up" a "fake criminal investigation".
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:11 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/polit...ill/index.html

A separate source said Hill also drew a link between Sondland and Trump in her testimony. Sondland and Trump "were in direct contact," Hill told the lawmakers, according to the source. This source said Hill said the contacts between Trump and Sondland went beyond the discussion about texts exchanged between Sondland and other American diplomats in Ukraine that have been made public.

https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/...82244827181057

Hill's testimony is devastating to Donald Trump. His impeachment by the House is all but guaranteed.

There's still no underlying crime, sorry.
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