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Old 10-16-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by eastriver View Post
President Trump did. You're no longer yoked to it. Private systems can no longer count on use of the public's resources like the IRS as enforcers for you to mandatorily buy coverage policies at any price.
Well, that IS true, but the costs for medical care and insurance have not only decreased, but I believe that it is true that have actually continued to rise significantly since Trump has been in office. (I could not find any figures for 2018.) Yes, of course, medical and insurance costs should have increased just like most other expenses, but THIS much?!!

Below is a link to an article that examines the reasons, but the key sentence, in my opinion, is this one: "That translates to an annual health care cost of $10,739 per person in 2017 versus just $146 per person in 1960!"

Now who is not outraged by that?!!

https://www.thebalance.com/causes-of...-costs-4064878

 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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I got the news today, and it was a good thing I was sitting down when I opened the envelope.

The premium for the "budget" plan I have (otherwise known as the bronze plan) will be $977 a month. That's nearly $1,000 a month for the cheapest plan available, which carries a deductible of nearly $7,000. That means that I, with a straight middle-class income, will be on the hook for almost $20,000 in medical costs (if my year is bad).
Even if your year is "good" you're paying 1,000 dollars per month insurance. Think about how much car you could buy for HALF that amount. 1,000 dollars is a mortgage payment on a very nice home in most area's.

Something is very wrong when people pay more for health insurance than for the roof over their head.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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Well, that IS true, but the costs for medical care and insurance have not only decreased, but I believe that it is true that have actually continued to rise significantly since Trump has been in office. (I could not find any figures for 2018.)
Yes, of course, medical and insurance costs should have increased just like most other expenses, but THIS much?!!

Here is an article that examines the reasons, but the key sentence, in my opinion, is this one: "That translates to an annual health care cost of $10,739 per person in 2017 versus just $146 per person in 1960!"

Now who is not outraged by that?!!

https://www.thebalance.com/causes-of...-costs-4064878
Are you faithfully paying the increases? What do you expect providers to put on the price tag if you always pay what's on the sticker no matter what?

Sellers love customers like that.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
Do you get any subsidies, Rachel?
TRANSLATION: Are taxpayers who aren't getting any of your benefits, being forced to pay for them anyway? In addition to paying the full cost of their own benefits?

Last edited by Roboteer; 10-16-2019 at 06:11 PM..
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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A lot of us never bought in. The rare doctor that's needed likes cash at the counter better, and the discounts for that immediacy are substantial.
Yes, but you are one of the lucky few with access to Hundreds of thousands in cash, most people don't. My surgery, xrays, hospital stay etc.for a broken leg was over 85,000 dollars.

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Point is that it shouldn’t have been screwed with in the first place!
I am not debating that, I agree. I am just saying once you create a massive entitlement program, it's impossible to do away with it,. People talk about reforming social security, Medicare etc. Obama care may not last as long as new deal programs but it may .It may be replaced by something more socialist
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:06 PM
 
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Yes, but you are one of the lucky few with access to Hundreds of thousands in cash,....
That's quite an assumption.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Are you faithfully paying the increases? What do you expect providers to put on the price tag if you always pay what's on the sticker no matter what?

Sellers love customers like that.
That actually doesn't apply to us because, as I said another thread, my husband's and my combined insurance premiums are $444 a month, and our out of pocket expenses average just about $100 a month. (Medicare for me and employer-subsidized for him, btw.)
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
I got the news today, and it was a good thing I was sitting down when I opened the envelope.

The premium for the "budget" plan I have (otherwise known as the bronze plan) will be $977 a month. That's nearly $1,000 a month for the cheapest plan available, which carries a deductible of nearly $7,000. That means that I, with a straight middle-class income, will be on the hook for almost $20,000 in medical costs (if my year is bad). Boy, do I long for the pre-Obamacare days just a few years ago when I paid a few hundred a month at most for a real plan that covered medical expenses!

Basically, as has been discussed before, Obama "arranged" for middle earners to pay exorbitant premiums for what is essentially a catastrophic plan in order to have insurance companies provide the costs for every sneeze and cough for low(er) earners.

So, has anyone else received their envelope?
Wait -- how can this be? Candidate Trump said his staff had an excellent healthcare plan all set to go that would be less expensive and cover everyone. First thing he was going to do when he took office.

REPEAL and REPLACE.
REPEAL and REPLACE.
REPEAL and REPLACE.

And then, "Who knew healthcare could be so complicated?"

And now you're saying your rates went UP?

Karma, baby. You reap what you sew.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:13 PM
 
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That actually doesn't apply to us because, as I said another thread, my husband's and my combined insurance premiums are $444 a month, and our out of pocket expenses average just about $100 a month. (Medicare for me and employer-subsidized for him, btw.)
Somebody's dutifully, faithfully paying the increases each and every time. Besieged employers are paying the increases that writers are "outraged" by. Restaurants, stores, trades,....
 
Old 10-16-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post
I paid for it a long time ago with 3 years of my life. Any other silly questions?
So you didn't get paid during your service? Didn't receive medical care during that time? A housing allowance? No chow line? No educational benefits?

I guess what I'm saying is not everyone that hitches up are Captain America on the front lines going hand-to-hand combat with the bad guys. There are plenty of folks that went in because it beat working as a bag boy at Food Lion and came no closer to that in terms of danger or self-sacrifice during their time in the service. Should they be entitled to life-long benefits at everyone's expense for all of three years away from civilian life? Seems like that's what a lot of conservatives rail against, an endless supply of Government Cheese...
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