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Old 10-18-2019, 07:04 AM
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The average social security recipient receives 30% more than they put in, the average Medicaid recipient is middle class elderly in long term care. The money from my check is going S. S. medicare Recipients. People who hate government so much should work to end social security medicare, etc.
You're doing it for us by bankrupting them thanks.

 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:05 AM
 
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People who hate government so much should work to end social security medicare, etc.
I work to end all of it, top to bottom, including the indentured servitude rackets of entitlements.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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who pays for Medicare? My money that comes out of my check pays for social security, Medicare, Medicaid but you don't see many politicians wanting to do away with social security or medicare
Great post!
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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Why?

We do.

Medicare, Medicaid, VA, SSI, Obamacare/ACA, etc.

What differs is ours is balkanized.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:18 AM
 
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sure govt dicating waist sizes and BMI, what could go wrong? And maybe we could use a similiar scheme to weed out the evil blonde haired blue eyed people (or brown skinned folks depending on the team in power)
Oh and remember the carb laden USDA food pyramid that all but guaranteed obesity? Yeah those same people are going set the criteria for health care.
FYI this isn't Japan, they can keep their creepy body control scheme over there.
I am all for obesity penalties, I am so sick of paying for peoples poor life choices and dirty habits. The obesity costs to the health care system are estimated to be 157 billion dollars. All because of laziness
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:23 AM
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I am all for obesity penalties, I am so sick of paying for peoples poor life choices and dirty habits. The obesity costs to the health care system are estimated to be 157 billion dollars. All because of laziness
Why would you assume all obesity is the result of sloth?
Who defines obese?
Sounds like you hate people who dont look like you.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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The main reason:

“It’s better to die or go broke from a serious illness than to have some undeserving black or Hispanic person benefit from MY tax dollars.” — typical Republican voter
There are times when I wonder if this is why some people don't want universal health care, or in some cases, public transportation.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:34 AM
 
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I am all for obesity penalties, I am so sick of paying for peoples poor life choices and dirty habits. The obesity costs to the health care system are estimated to be 157 billion dollars. All because of laziness
obesity is not 100% because of laziness...for many it is a medical/physical condition


who would set the standards...based on what metric


do we say a petite 5' 100lb female is perfect.. yet a a 5' yet 125lb is obese??
do we say a male who is 6' and 160 is perfect..yet a 6' 185 male is obese?
do we do like the army and have a weight scale, and if you bust the weight you get a tape test??? sorry you are 1% over, higher ins for you??








how about other penalties??


you smoke cigarettes/cigars.... higher cost to you
you do drugs OF ANY KIND...higher cost to you
you do sports...higher cost, because of higher risk
you do extreme adrenaline junkie stuff...higher cost, because of much higher risk


drive a sports car...more likely to get in an accident... higher risk of health care costs... penalty for you


oh wait...lets do genetic testing...... there would be some great penalties
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The average social security recipient receives 30% more than they put in, the average Medicaid recipient is middle class elderly in long term care. The money from my check is going to S. S. medicare recipients. People who hate government so much should work to end social security medicare, etc.
I don't know where you're getting you're info, but you're wrong. MOST people now LOSE money on SS. Only the low-income come out ahead.

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"As recently as 1985, workers at every income level could retire and expect to get more in benefits than they paid in Social Security taxes, though they didn't do quite as well as their parents and grandparents.

Not anymore.

A married couple retiring last year after both spouses earned average lifetime wages paid about $598,000 in Social Security taxes during their careers. They can expect to collect about $556,000 in benefits, if the man lives to 82 and the woman lives to 85, according to a 2011 study by the Urban Institute, a Washington think tank.

Social Security benefits are progressive, so most low-income workers retiring today still will get slightly more in benefits than they paid in taxes. Most high-income workers started getting less in benefits than they paid in taxes in the 1990s, according to data from the Social Security Administration."
Social Security is a LOSING deal for most workers - Associated Press

There is no cap on the Medicare tax, so higher-income earners will not recoup in Medicare benefits the amount they've paid in Medicare tax.

Benefiting some by penalizing others is unconstitutional. It violates the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. SS and Medicare benefits SHOULD be directly proportionate to one's contributions to each program. This would be simple to do as the Fed Gov keeps records of what each taxpayer has paid over their lifetime.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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You're doing it for us by bankrupting them thanks.
Exactly. They're not sustainable and will implode.
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