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Old 10-18-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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Oklahoma, generally speaking, is a backward wasteland. Gas is cheaper still in Venezeuala or Saudi Arabia.

And I don't get the point. You realize that CA taxes gas, right? That accounts for the difference. CA has public transportation, so it's not like you need to drive. And salaries are much higher. CA gas is still cheap compared to most of the first world.

The U.S. should have a national gas tax that triples the overall price of tax, like in most first world countries, and then use the revenues to invest in public transit and clean energy.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Denver
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real estate economics

better place -> more demand -> higher prices
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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The OP did not claim that San Francisco doesn't contribute to the national economy. He claimed that their policies are making life more expensive for its residents in the areas of fuel and electricity, as compared with Oklahoma City.
But this is untrue. SF has extensive public transportation, which is much cheaper than operating a vehicle in OKC. And SF has moderate weather and small apartments, so energy bills are much lower than in OKC, which has extreme weather year-round.

I always laugh when people say big cities are "so expensive". When I lived in NYC, my energy bill was almost zero, my gas costs were zero, and my salary was quite high. I lived in a small apartment, used transit and barely needed furniture. 100x better living than in some giant McMansion in a cornfield, and driving a gas-guzzling pickup 30 miles to some rundown Walmart.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:47 PM
 
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I've lived in Oklahoma.

Scenery is nothing to write home about. Ice storms in the winter. Hotter than hell in the summer. Wind blows like a banshee.

But if cheap gas is your criteria, then go for it.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I've lived in Oklahoma.

Scenery is nothing to write home about. Ice storms in the winter. Hotter than hell in the summer. Wind blows like a banshee.

But if cheap gas is your criteria, then go for it.

Well, I can't argue with you there. Weather and scenery are 100 times better in San Francisco than in Oklahoma City.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I always laugh when people say big cities are "so expensive". When I lived in NYC, my energy bill was almost zero, my gas costs were zero, and my salary was quite high. I lived in a small apartment, used transit and barely needed furniture. 100x better living than in some giant McMansion in a cornfield, and driving a gas-guzzling pickup 30 miles to some rundown Walmart.
I'm not rural, so I live close enough to Wal-Mart to walk to it as I did yesterday, and it isn't rundown.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Well, I can't argue with you there. Weather and scenery are 100 times better in San Francisco than in Oklahoma City.
So profoundly true. Arcadia Lake set in the Cross Timbers along Route 66 is as scenic as it gets in the Oklahoma City area.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:27 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Your lack of caring about Oklahoma does not diminish its considerable importance to our nation.
As a former midwesterner I like Oklahoma and frequently recommended that young people look at OKC when they want to relocate. I just don't think Oklahoma serves as a good example when someone is intent on bashing California. There is little to compare that is valid between the two states. You might as well compare Oklahoma to Germany or France. I doubt that either state would choose to make the comparison that OP does in his constant lame attempts to bash California.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Oklahoma, generally speaking, is a backward wasteland. Gas is cheaper still in Venezeuala or Saudi Arabia.

And I don't get the point. You realize that CA taxes gas, right? That accounts for the difference. CA has public transportation, so it's not like you need to drive. And salaries are much higher. CA gas is still cheap compared to most of the first world.

The U.S. should have a national gas tax that triples the overall price of tax, like in most first world countries, and then use the revenues to invest in public transit and clean energy.
I am in fact a strong supporter of public transit. However, one inescapable fact about public transit is that, in most cases, it needs a high population density in order to be successful. Most First World countries have much higher population densities than we do. One could quibble over which countries are and are not "First World," but if you consider the 10 countries with the highest Gross Domestic Product, only two of them (Brazil and Canada) have lower population densities.

My point being, there are large swaths of the United States in which public transit will never be anything more than a tiny niche player in terms of overall mobility. I wish it weren't so, as I would like to see a much more robust network of public transit systems around the country. But our low-density, spread-out nature precludes effective transit in all too many cases.
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Old 10-19-2019, 01:00 AM
 
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PA doesn't use a smog specific blend, checkmate

I just paid $2.69 per gallon.....
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