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Trump has been in office for 3 years. Where is your evidence that any of the things you mentioned have occurred or any federal legislation has been introduced since and because of this administration:
There is no impending legislation to criminalize sodomy, allow bible study in schools, teach creationism, enforce abstinence, criminalize women for crossing state lines for abortion, censor the media.
Of course its not going to happen. The religious right movement failed with President Carter.
It might have happened before that when Anita Bryant's anti gay movement lost its momentum when Reagan would not support the California amendment to ban gay teachers and the vote for it failed.
There's also nothing in the Constitution about abortion and homosexuality either. What IS there is the Tenth Amendment, which states that whatever isn't in the Constitution is up to each State to decide for themselves. Thus, under the Tenth Amendment, anti-abortion laws and anti-sodomy laws are entirely legal. These laws should have remained in force unless and until they were either overturned by their State legislatures or overturned by Constitutional amendment. But instead, the Supreme Court overstepped its bounds and abolished them, and the Congress failed to do its duty and restrain the judicial overreach. So if a future Supreme Court does return these issues to the States, they would simply be rectifying a previous wrong.
If they should have remained in force, then tell of what harm has been done against gay and straight people by sodomy laws being abolished.
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There's also nothing in the Constitution about abortion and homosexuality either. What IS there is the Tenth Amendment, which states that whatever isn't in the Constitution is up to each State to decide for themselves. Thus, under the Tenth Amendment, anti-abortion laws and anti-sodomy laws are entirely legal. These laws should have remained in force unless and until they were either overturned by their State legislatures or overturned by Constitutional amendment. But instead, the Supreme Court overstepped its bounds and abolished them, and the Congress failed to do its duty and restrain the judicial overreach. So if a future Supreme Court does return these issues to the States, they would simply be rectifying a previous wrong.
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If they should have remained in force, then tell of what harm has been done against gay and straight people by sodomy laws being abolished.
It would be katy-bar-the-door, for anyone with a, significant other, [not of opposite gender] to make legal binding decisions one for another.
The States should have and maintain all laws not explicit to the Federal Constitution and the Supreme Court should stay out it.
That's because before Falwell, most of the "born again" Christians stayed out of politics. When Roe v Wade happened, it happened mostly with a whimper. Religion wasn't yet tied to politics. They would say it as a dirty game and that it was wrong for servants of God to be involved in the hot button political issues on earth. Falwell and the Moral Majority changed that and created the political landscape we have today.
Where do you get your information. There was active christian right or christian political factions way before Falwell.
Religion has been tied to politics since pretty much forever from King Saul to Constantine to present day.
But do elaborate on how Falwell has created the political landscape we have today.
A large part of Trump's appeal is he's giving the religious right their dream justices. They are now going to have the opportunity to roll back civil rights and social progress 50-70 years. If they can replace RBG that will seal the deal. Get ready for abortion bans, total criminalization of sodomy, prayer and Bible study in public schools, creationism taught in science class as an alternative to evolution, nationwide abstinence only and tight regulations on birth control, criminal charges for women who cross state lines to get an abortion, heavily censored media with everything required to promote or at least not be offensive to an evangelical Christian worldview, and likely much, much more as drastic measures will be taken to roll back our society and culture to the 1950s. I also think a lot of blue laws will make a comeback. To force a return to traditional values, there will need to be laws forcing non-essential businesses to be closed on Sunday, national holidays to be observed, etc.
But would this society really be better? I want to say that I know most of that probably will not actually happen but it's what the religious right ultimately wants and Trump is moving us in that direction. At this point in history, it seems like it would require a significant oppression of individual liberty in order to really bring back "traditional values."
Lol that would be if Pence was POTUS. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about "traditional values". He'd probably legalize casinos and brothels everywhere if it didn't bother more conservative segments of his base.
If they should have remained in force, then tell of what harm has been done against gay and straight people by sodomy laws being abolished.
The harm that was done was done to the principle of "separation of powers," in that one branch of the government (the Judiciary) took upon itself powers to which it is not entitled, and the other branches of government (the Executive and the Legislative) did not protect their own powers by restraining the branch that overreached.
The People, through their elected representatives at the State level, should have been the ones to decide whether or not sodomy laws should or should not be in place. Same with abortion, and same with homosexual marriage.
A large part of Trump's appeal is he's giving the religious right their dream justices. They are now going to have the opportunity to roll back civil rights and social progress 50-70 years. If they can replace RBG that will seal the deal. Get ready for abortion bans, total criminalization of sodomy, prayer and Bible study in public schools, creationism taught in science class as an alternative to evolution, nationwide abstinence only and tight regulations on birth control, criminal charges for women who cross state lines to get an abortion, heavily censored media with everything required to promote or at least not be offensive to an evangelical Christian worldview, and likely much, much more as drastic measures will be taken to roll back our society and culture to the 1950s. I also think a lot of blue laws will make a comeback. To force a return to traditional values, there will need to be laws forcing non-essential businesses to be closed on Sunday, national holidays to be observed, etc.
But would this society really be better? I want to say that I know most of that probably will not actually happen but it's what the religious right ultimately wants and Trump is moving us in that direction. At this point in history, it seems like it would require a significant oppression of individual liberty in order to really bring back "traditional values."
A large part of your premise is faulty because it implies the purpose of government is for the majority to impose their morality upon everyone else especially via the courts which sadly became precedent with the famous but wrong decision in Marbury v Madison ten years after the formation of this country.
Thomas Jefferson eloquently described the sole purpose of government when he basically wrote its purpose was to secure our individual rights, NOT to impose the will beliefs, morality and dictates of others upon us... but to secure our natural rights. This concept is lost on most people as is evidenced by the majority of voters seeking to impose their will, beliefs, morality and dictates upon society by voting to elect people who promise to do just that.
It doesn't matter one bit that the statism proposed by the differing political parties is largely the polar opposite of the "other" political party. It is none the less proposed statism, just statism of a different flavor. In almost all cases, none of the political parties propose protecting the natural right of each person to choose to live as they see in their own best interest.
So you and just about everyone else on here keep arguing as to which flavor of statism and masters who decide that statism you should choose. As for me... I choose Liberty.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
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