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Old 10-22-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by LordSquidworth View Post
So write trump and tell him to stop increasing the deficit ever since he took office.
Got a problem now?


Elect a democrat with FREE healthcare, education and you will long for the days of a 1 trillion dollar deficit.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by TexasLawyer2000 View Post
This is is a bit disingenuous, or you just don't know how it works over here in the US.

Congress approves the budget that leads to a deficit. Majority of the spending during Obama's first term was allocated during Bush's term (primarily to help prop up the post-recession economy).

Take a look at the last budget requests in each President's last year (Bold indicates the request was an increase over the previous president):

Donald Trump (R) - $1.314 trillion (2019 budget)
Barack Obama (D) - $672 billion
George W. Bush (R) - $1.632 trillion
Bill Clinton (D) - $133 billion
George H.W. Bush (R) - $347 billion
Ronald Reagan (R) - $255 billion
Jimmy Carter (D) - $90 billion
Gerald Ford (R) - $78 billion
Richard Nixon (R) - $17 billion
Lyndon B. Johnson (D) - $6 billion
I'm not going to take the time to double check but that Clinton number has to be wrong and I'll bet the Obama number is also wrong.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Whose going to keep lending the US this money to borrow once they realize the US has no intentions on paying it back?
This argument is illogical.

We already have racked up too much debt to ever repay, and people are still lined up to lend us money....
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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This argument is illogical.

We already have racked up too much debt to ever repay, and people are still lined up to lend us money....

We have a 14 trillion dollar a year economy. The debt is not currently to large to be paid back....given the size of our economy. China currently holds most of the US debt and right now they find it in their interest to keep lending the US this money because the US buys so much goods from China and they want to keep their currency weak compared to the dollar.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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We have a 14 trillion dollar a year economy. The debt is not currently to large to be paid back....given the size of our economy. China currently holds most of the US debt and right now they find it in their interest to keep lending the US this money because the US buys so much goods from China and they want to keep their currency weak compared to the dollar.
False.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/he...ebt-2018-08-21
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm not going to take the time to double check but that Clinton number has to be wrong and I'll bet the Obama number is also wrong.
The numbers are close. Our government is running massive deficits in a time of relative prosperity and peace.

Even John Maynard Keynes would be shocked by such fiscal policy.

Republicans lose all sense of fiscal responsibility when they hold the Presidency.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Who cares? It’s not real money. The government can print all it needs.



Once we print more greenbacks, I acn then join AOC in calling it the New Green deal.


Or Greenv whatever deal, as Nancy puts it........
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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It depends on the nature of the debt. Not all debt is bad, if it increase net worth, but we are not going into deeper national debt because of "good debt". It is purely consumptive.
Relative values. IMO the best debt raises the std of living of our middle class. Middle class consumption is a large part of that. More general business.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Whose going to keep lending the US this money to borrow once they realize the US has no intentions on paying it back?
We have every intention of paying back current obligations. But most obligations roll over or are replaced by new obligations when paid off.

We have no intention of paying it all off. Ever.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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This insanity has got to stop.
Just wait a few years.

The unfunded liabilities for the Euro-States for their healthcare and pensions is unsustainable and no amount of taxation will fix the problem.

For example, Germany claims its unfunded liabilities are only 80% of GDP, but a number of independent sources say differently. The Market Economy Foundation puts it at 228% of GDP and the EU Central Bank says Germany owes 276% of it's GDP.

The Euro-States will have to cut healthcare spending, which means people won't get healthcare and slash pensions. Those liabilities range from 75% of GDP for Britain --assuming they're telling the truth -- and 300% for Italy (who is telling the truth).

France has already slashed its pensions from 50% to 37.5% and will have to cut those further to at least 32.5% if not 28%.

But...they do have money.

That money is in the form of US treasury securities.

What do you suppose will happen if the Euro-States start dumping their US treasury securities to get cash to pay for healthcare and pensions?

Can you say rampant Monetary Inflation?

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The government needs to axe the federal reserve and print its own money which it is allowed to do.
Um, the government does print its own money.

You seem to be totally ignorant of the process.

The process is simple:

1) Government spends in excess of what it collects in revenues;
2) The excess occurs monthly
3) The federal reserve packages the deficit as marketable securities and sells them
4) That process prevents Monetary Inflation from destroying your life and your economy.

If you remove the Federal Reserve from the equation, nothing different happens.

1) the government does nothing and rampant Monetary Inflation destroys your life and your economy; or
2) the government directs the US Treasury Department to package the deficit as marketable securities and sell them, which is exactly what you do now; or
3) the government borrows money from private banks who also package the deficit as marketable securities and sells them

So what's different?

You have a spending problem and both Parties are responsible for it (and irresponsible).

It's not the fault of the Federal Reserve if Congress can't balance the budget. It's not the fault of the US Treasury Department and it's not the fault of any other entity, except Congress.

It's also the fault of Presidents, because they can veto the budget bill and demand that Congress act responsibly and hold Congress accountable, but none ever have.

And it's your fault, because you keep electing the same morons.
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