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Old 10-28-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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This is from PBS and is available to watch on youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHsBhoPYAY


I want to call your attention to the rise of Fascism as a solution to the inactions of Socialism. In the nineteen twenties Benito Mussolini rose to power in Italy with the help of only 30,000 fellow Italians known as the Black Shirts.

If you decide to watch this watch this fifty four minute documentary and find parallels with events in America today, you are not alone.
“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Sir Winston Churchill

 
Old 10-28-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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thanks for link, tony.

@4:10 "Like his father before him he [Mussolini] is drawn to an extreme form of socialism. It calls for a violent revolution that will strip the rich of their wealth, and share it with the poor."

Indeed we are seeing many parallels to this in present day USA.

According to a book that I read on Mussolini, Mussolini was disgusted with the Socialists in western Europe who talked a good game but were **** poor when it came to action. Because of Mussolini's criticism of the Socialists they ostracized them and he went his own way.

I feel it necessary at this point to point out that Mussolini and Hitler deviated from the Socialist rule book in one very important way; Fiat, Daimler Benz, BMW, and the other major German/Italian corporations stayed in private hands.

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Old 10-28-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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The definition of Totalitarianism more accurately fits what’s happening within the democrat party AS THEY CENSURE AND DOX PEOPLE OR SPEAKERS WITH OPPOSING VIEWS, promotion of domestic terrorism with Antifa and BLM, their aggressive political correctness policies, encouragement of violence and harassment of conservatives, and their power over our free speech, our media, our education system, social media, our entertainment i dustry, and most of our culture. Look at how they used the DOJ and Intel for a coup against a fairly elected president!!

TOTALITARIANISM (Wikipedia)
Totalitarianism is a political concept of a mode of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. Political power in totalitarian states has often been held by rule by one leader which employ all-encompassing propaganda campaigns broadcast by state-controlled mass media. Totalitarian regimes are often characterized by political repression, a total lack of democracy, personality cultism, restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism

^^ this should scare the crap out of you...
 
Old 10-28-2019, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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How cute. Pbs connected the thought dots for you.
"Orange man bad"
Pbs leading you around like an idiot, or simply confirmation bias. Where are the gulags you guys promised? When do we start putting people on boxcar to the camps? Re enslaving minorities and executing gays? When are lefties gonna leave the country like they promised?
Stay in your bunker.

I simply noted that people like you who think that God ascended the throne with the election of Trump might do anything to maintain your grip on power.
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Both Hitler and Mussolini radically altered political positions that they were elected to. It is troubling that Trump has this appreciation of political strong men and their ruthless methods of acquiring power. If you watch the video you will see how few people it actually took to establish a dictatorship over millions, and take both countries to war.


Some of you have mentioned universal health care. I don't agree with the Elizabeth Warren solution. What I could agree with is a Medicare buy in where the individual pays an affordable amount each month. The trend of American corporations away from an employee based work force and toward a contractor based work force makes a Medicare buy in much more attractive.
I agree with the affordable Medicare buy-in.

Even if your employer offers health insurance, the days of working for forty years for the same company are long gone. So you have all that in between time to cover.

I also think that it wasn't for the courts holding the line, we'd have already lost our republic.
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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The definition of Totalitarianism more accurately fits what’s happening within the democrat party AS THEY CENSURE AND DOX PEOPLE OR SPEAKERS WITH OPPOSING VIEWS, promotion of domestic terrorism with Antifa and BLM, their aggressive political correctness policies, encouragement of violence and harassment of conservatives, and their power over our free speech, our media, our education system, social media, our entertainment i dustry, and most of our culture. Look at how they used the DOJ and Intel for a coup against a fairly elected president!!

TOTALITARIANISM (Wikipedia)
Totalitarianism is a political concept of a mode of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. Political power in totalitarian states has often been held by rule by one leader which employ all-encompassing propaganda campaigns broadcast by state-controlled mass media. Totalitarian regimes are often characterized by political repression, a total lack of democracy, personality cultism, restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism

^^ this should scare the crap out of you...

Your definition you provided states why our current situation is not consistent with Totalitarianism.


1) Trump is not a Democrat.
2) Impeachment inquiry also includes Republicans that are also in the room, asking questions.
3) House vote for Impeachment does not remove the President therefore total power does not rest within the control of the Democratic party

Actually you made the case that Republicans are in a better position to fit the definition provided

1) President is a Republican
2) President welds complete control over the Attorney General (Bill Barr does not work for the American People, he serves 1 person) and Military
3) Senate has the power to REMOVE the President which is under Republican control

Your argument better fits second scenario I provided, but neither fits the definition of the Totalitarianism. The President and a Republican congress per the Constitution will have representation per a Trial in the Senate. The House only brings charges but does not have a say in the removal.
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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The definition of Totalitarianism more accurately fits what’s happening within the democrat party AS THEY CENSURE AND DOX PEOPLE OR SPEAKERS WITH OPPOSING VIEWS, promotion of domestic terrorism with Antifa and BLM, their aggressive political correctness policies, encouragement of violence and harassment of conservatives, and their power over our free speech, our media, our education system, social media, our entertainment i dustry, and most of our culture. Look at how they used the DOJ and Intel for a coup against a fairly elected president!!

TOTALITARIANISM (Wikipedia)
Totalitarianism is a political concept of a mode of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. Political power in totalitarian states has often been held by rule by one leader which employ all-encompassing propaganda campaigns broadcast by state-controlled mass media. Totalitarian regimes are often characterized by political repression, a total lack of democracy, personality cultism, restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism

^^ this should scare the crap out of you...

While your attack on liberals has merit, we can just give them the finger without being put up against a bullet ridden wall. I also have contempt for the politically correct because they hide their hatreds through a mask.

As far as the definition of totalitarianism don't think that the two party system is that open. Lets remember that when Ralph Nader was running for president he was kept out of the two party debate and he had a ticket. Like languages in large countries, Fascism has dialects and flavors.

I repeat the I see a group of Trump loyalists emerging who remind me of Hitler's Brown Shirts and Mussolini's Black Shirts. Back in the Twenties American industrialists had an admiration for Mussolini and that was the scary part. What does scare the crap out of me is that we may be one bad recession away from radical change.
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Big difference. We do not want a revolution. We would like everyone to contribute to national health care. I do not want illegals included but I think all Americans should have decent health care available to them. Of course the very rich will pay more, just the same as with income taxes. It would probably be done with a national sales tax too because nothing is free. And even for the very poor, when they buy things there would be a small tax on it so the poor wouldn't be getting it for free.

Something I learned back in high school just came to mind: "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly"--got to go look that up. Yes, Thomas Paine in that essay that starts with, "These are the times that try mens souls. " "http://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/c-01.htm Meaning, in our case, that we will all have to pay something and if we do pay for it, we will value it more. It can only be a few dollars, but if it's given to people for free, they take it for granted.

As for extreme forms of anything and revolutions and strip the rich of their wealth, I think it's was Trump's lover, Steve Bannon, who wanted a revolution and then to start all over. So we are seeing parallels if we read about Steve Bannon, a Trumpist.
Socialist Communism has never worked.. the government has no bottom line of spending , plus the incentive to work is gone. This brings down the actual worth of every person under Communist rule.. the more people that are working the stronger the tax base to pay the bills.. the more people taking services, the quality goes down and it costs more.. this is big government ... Those that don't work get what the workers get so the workers say, hell with this..
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The definition of Totalitarianism more accurately fits what’s happening within the democrat party AS THEY CENSURE AND DOX PEOPLE OR SPEAKERS WITH OPPOSING VIEWS, promotion of domestic terrorism with Antifa and BLM, their aggressive political correctness policies, encouragement of violence and harassment of conservatives, and their power over our free speech, our media, our education system, social media, our entertainment i dustry, and most of our culture. Look at how they used the DOJ and Intel for a coup against a fairly elected president!!

TOTALITARIANISM (Wikipedia)
Totalitarianism is a political concept of a mode of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. Political power in totalitarian states has often been held by rule by one leader which employ all-encompassing propaganda campaigns broadcast by state-controlled mass media. Totalitarian regimes are often characterized by political repression, a total lack of democracy, personality cultism, restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism

^^ this should scare the crap out of you...
Hong Kong is now fighting for months as the communists want to rule .. after the british ruled Hong Kong under their rule they want more freedom as the totalitarian government of Communist China is taking their freedoms away.
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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While your attack on liberals has merit, we can just give them the finger without being put up against a bullet ridden wall. I also have contempt for the politically correct because they hide their hatreds through a mask.

As far as the definition of totalitarianism don't think that the two party system is that open. Lets remember that when Ralph Nader was running for president he was kept out of the two party debate and he had a ticket. Like languages in large countries, Fascism has dialects and flavors.

I repeat the I see a group of Trump loyalists emerging who remind me of Hitler's Brown Shirts and Mussolini's Black Shirts. Back in the Twenties American industrialists had an admiration for Mussolini and that was the scary part. What does scare the crap out of me is that we may be one bad recession away from radical change.
Trump has never jailed anyone from the Press. Trump has never silenced their FAKE NEWS..yet past presidents have..
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