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Math and logic agrees with me, even though you don’t. Make an inequality into an equality, mathematically, without treating the sides differently.
And again, you are IGNORING the poor choices that black people, as a collective, are making that impede their reaching "equality." You are saying that whites, including poor whites who came here long after slavery, give up seats to lower-achieving black people, WITHOUT ASKING BLACKS THEMSELVES TO REDUCE THE POOR BEHAVIOR that is harming them.
What's the incentive to make good decisions - like not have babies you can't afford out-of-wedlock - if poor decisions are rewarded with preferential treatment? Blacks are capable of closing the equality gap by doing two things: 1) graduate from high school, and 2) wait until marriage to have babies, and then only if you can support them. White people aren't kicking black kids out of 11th grade and forcing them to have unprotected sex.
Stop blaming white people for every problem that black people have. Your sense of victimhood (and anger toward whites) comes across right from your very name - indentured servant.
So....instead of telling blacks that whitey better pay, tell them to stay in school, study hour upon hour every evening after class to get good grades, don't have illegitimate babies, work very hard, delay gratification and make the necessary sacrifices - and every single black kid in elementary school today can make it into the lower-middle class, at least. The bright ones can make it into the upper-middle class.
O.k. but I don't. I don't think it's healthy for our country.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Actually, that's true. If external forces enter to make everyone equal, all incentive for improving one's lot in life is killed. Why study hard if you've been getting Cs when you know the teacher will be giving everyone a B anyway?
Sorry but they don't. The number of White applicants only point a number which applied. Logic dictates each application be judged on its own merit.
You can't really judge merit by test scores. You don't know what person "A" has been through in their life vs person "B". Think of it like this. You are a sprinter running the 100 meters. Only the top 20 times make it to State from each regions qualifier. Now lets create the scenario where the qualifying meets are held on a very windy day. In some of the regional meets the track is oriented in such a way that the wind is at the sprinters back and in other regions the track is oriented so that the sprinters are running against the wind. Just looking ONLY at times (see test scores) merit is measured by your time only.....not factoring in that some had to run against the wind while others were running with the wind at their backs.
Being African American, even today, is running against a head wind. Being white in America, is running with the wind at your back. Any group of people who are disconnected from WHO THEY ARE, their culture and who are seen and treated by society as an "inferior" group and the images of the society promote this belief, they are running against the wind. What AA is, analogously, is a correction of merit based upon factoring in the wind.
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And again, you are IGNORING the poor choices that black people, as a collective, are making that impede their reaching "equality." You are saying that whites, including poor whites who came here long after slavery, give up seats to lower-achieving black people, WITHOUT ASKING BLACKS THEMSELVES TO REDUCE THE POOR BEHAVIOR that is harming them.
What's the incentive to make good decisions - like not have babies you can't afford out-of-wedlock - if poor decisions are rewarded with preferential treatment? Blacks are capable of closing the equality gap by doing two things: 1) graduate from high school, and 2) wait until marriage to have babies, and then only if you can support them. White people aren't kicking black kids out of 11th grade and forcing them to have unprotected sex.
Stop blaming white people for every problem that black people have. Your sense of victimhood (and anger toward whites) comes across right from your very name - indentured servant.
So....instead of telling blacks that whitey better pay, tell them to stay in school, study hour upon hour every evening after class to get good grades, don't have illegitimate babies, work very hard, delay gratification and make the necessary sacrifices - and every single black kid in elementary school today can make it into the lower-middle class, at least. The bright ones can make it into the upper-middle class.
You’re kidding right? Most whites were here during Jim Crow when Af-Ams were not permitted to attend most universities and their grade schools were only permitted to have meager resources.
Whites were taking seats that should have been to Af-Ams for years upon years. They took homes and jobs that should have gone to Af-Ams for years and years due to racist policies.
You are not victims because of AAs. AA is an attempt to correct the virtual non-existent morals of the majority of whites up until the 1960s, though flawed. That’s what happened when it takes a nation so long to find some morals.
Black people do not make choices as a collective. They make choices as individuals. Fix your mindset.
Furthermore, the majority of Af-Ams are already at least lower middle class, despite the fact that their families have had far less opportunity to build wealth in the U.S. Their families should have been compensated a long time ago for the ills against them, especially for their homes and communities being burned. While many of their communities were terrorized and/or burned, whites were receiving homes and land through the New Deal subsistence housing program. Even the majority of Af-Ams who fought for this country were largely blocked from receiving its benefits. All the while whites were building wealth. Yet Af-Ams persevered and the majority have already made it out of poverty in a relatively small period of time.
And on top of that they fought for equality and opportunities for all minorities. Because of their people, my family was able to come to this country. So any, if not more, affirmative action spots would have likely gone to the same Af-Ams, if not more, if for all those years they would have been given equal opportunity.
Either way most people of African origin - Af-am or other recent African descendant - are not taking white spots at elite institutions. The majority of whites don’t attend elite institutions as most don’t study for hours to get good grades. The majority of whites are nowhere near as high achieving as those minorities who attend elite institutions. Most US schools admit the majority of their applicants - majority white, average students. But too many of whites have learned the cultural habit of blaming minorities for their own issues. Most whites weren’t even in the running for admission to this country’s elite institutions. That they should remember. If not, they should be reminded.
And again, you are IGNORING the poor choices that black people, as a collective, are making that impede their reaching "equality." You are saying that whites, including poor whites who came here long after slavery, give up seats to lower-achieving black people, WITHOUT ASKING BLACKS THEMSELVES TO REDUCE THE POOR BEHAVIOR that is harming them.
What's the incentive to make good decisions - like not have babies you can't afford out-of-wedlock - if poor decisions are rewarded with preferential treatment? Blacks are capable of closing the equality gap by doing two things: 1) graduate from high school, and 2) wait until marriage to have babies, and then only if you can support them. White people aren't kicking black kids out of 11th grade and forcing them to have unprotected sex.
Stop blaming white people for every problem that black people have. Your sense of victimhood (and anger toward whites) comes across right from your very name - indentured servant.
So....instead of telling blacks that whitey better pay, tell them to stay in school, study hour upon hour every evening after class to get good grades, don't have illegitimate babies, work very hard, delay gratification and make the necessary sacrifices - and every single black kid in elementary school today can make it into the lower-middle class, at least. The bright ones can make it into the upper-middle class.
And finally we get to the real rational of her opposition to AA. It has nothing do with being fair. It has everything to do with rewarding those bad behaviors of the Blacks. All the the trite Conservative talking points are here -- out of wedlock birth rates, culture of victimhood, get off the welfare, etc.
Also, the irony isn't lost watching you talk about Blacks as a collective, but not a thread goes by where you call people anti-Semitic for doing the same thing to Jewish people.
Whites don't care about blacks. That is the point. Whites ignore the history of what blacks have been through in this country and that history is why AA was created. Not understanding AA means white don't care about the struggles that blacks have gone through.....and I don't care of some whites, today, can't get into some college because some blacks are getting in with lower scores. I dare say thousands of whites apply to a particular prestigious school each year.....and don't get accepted. If they accept 30 blacks based upon lower standards...at least 97% of whites who were rejected were rejected for reasons other than AA. Does not seem like a big issue to me.....relative to what blacks have gone through and have been denied over 300 years.
What I believe is that inequality CANNOT be resolved without discrimination. Blacks were discriminated against for centuries. I have no problem with whites being denied every now and then.....as long as it does not prevent their success. Hey....your white......you will pull yourselves up by your bootstrap and NOT see yourselves as some sort of VICTIM....right? You all sure sound like you have a victim mentality.....as if your life is contingent upon some black person getting accepted because of AA. The primary reason whites are not getting into these colleges is because they were not as good as other whites.
The bold is likely true. That is the result of this country perpetuating low morals for so long.
And you’re completely right that the majority of them are complaining over a couple spots when most of them were rejected for other reasons.
Again, see Abigail Fisher. Over 40 whites were accepted over her with lower scores, while only 5 blacks or latinos were admitted over her with lower scores. That means the vast majority of blacks and latinos had better scores than her yet she wanted to act like they took her spot. Not at all.
And again, you are IGNORING the poor choices that black people, as a collective, are making that impede their reaching "equality." You are saying that whites, including poor whites who came here long after slavery, give up seats to lower-achieving black people, WITHOUT ASKING BLACKS THEMSELVES TO REDUCE THE POOR BEHAVIOR that is harming them.
What's the incentive to make good decisions - like not have babies you can't afford out-of-wedlock - if poor decisions are rewarded with preferential treatment? Blacks are capable of closing the equality gap by doing two things: 1) graduate from high school, and 2) wait until marriage to have babies, and then only if you can support them. White people aren't kicking black kids out of 11th grade and forcing them to have unprotected sex.
Stop blaming white people for every problem that black people have. Your sense of victimhood (and anger toward whites) comes across right from your very name - indentured servant.
So....instead of telling blacks that whitey better pay, tell them to stay in school, study hour upon hour every evening after class to get good grades, don't have illegitimate babies, work very hard, delay gratification and make the necessary sacrifices - and every single black kid in elementary school today can make it into the lower-middle class, at least. The bright ones can make it into the upper-middle class.
That is the problem with people like you......every action creates a reaction....FACT. Negative REACTIONS, that manifest onto the black culture and economics, born from historical racism ACTIONS, from white society, is called "poor choices" by people like you. You drop a bolder on my foot......I scream out in pain.....you call my screaming out "a poor choice and a victim mentality". What people like you are good at doing is taking the REACTIONS/CONSEQUENCES/SYMPTOMS or racism upon blacks.....and use that as the justification for what blacks problems are.
All your post on this topic are painting whites as VICTIMS of AA. So it works both ways.
And finally we get to the real rational of her opposition to AA. It has nothing do with being fair. It has everything to do with rewarding those bad behaviors of the Blacks. All the the trite Conservative talking points are here -- out of wedlock birth rates, culture of victimhood, get off the welfare, etc.
Also, the irony isn't lost watching you talk about Blacks as a collective, but not a thread goes by where you call people anti-Semitic for doing the same thing to Jewish people.
Exactly, as it has nothing to do with the high-achieving black students who attend elite institutions. She just wants to believe that all blacks have oow children, espouse victimhood and are on welfare, when that isn’t the case. It angers her that these Ivy League black students and others who attend elite institutions exist and completely defy the stereotypes she fights to maintain. Oh well...
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