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Old 10-23-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Gee , I thought a few years ago we kicked Iraq's ass.
IIRC, that happened just before the last time they kicked our asses out.

 
Old 10-23-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The massive oil find in midlands Texas has effectively lowered the priority on maintaining a stable Iraq; the only reason to stay would be to hinder Islamic extremism. Unless DT can negotiate a basing agreement with Iraq (unlikely) or a neighboring country, we'll either have to leave or become an occupying power. There's no political support for the latter. I do have sympathies for the Kurds, but their effort to create a homeland isn't our fight.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 10:36 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Sounds great!

It does! And while they're at it bring their brothers in arms home from Afghanistan too!
 
Old 10-23-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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Trump thinks he owns the world and makes decisions like handing Kurdish land to Turkey as if he owned it, and then he decided to park US troops in Iraq, again as if he owned the place. Well, Iraq is telling him to pack up and get the heck out.

Iraqi defense minister gives US troops 4 weeks to leave Iraq

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/iraqi-...to-leave-iraq/

BAGHDAD — US troops withdrawing from northeastern Syria to Iraq are “transiting” and will leave the country within four weeks, Iraq’s defense minister said Wednesday.

Najah al-Shammari made the remarks to The Associated Press following a meeting in Baghdad with visiting US Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who arrived as Iraqi leaders chafed over reports the US may want to increase the number of troops based in Iraq, at least temporarily.

Iraq’s military said Tuesday that American troops leaving northeastern Syria don’t have permission to stay in Iraq in a statement that appeared to contradict Esper, who has said that all US troops leaving Syria would continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State group from Iraq to prevent its resurgence in the region.
Yet you support the US being illegally in Syria, lol.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 10:45 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Dick Cheney has joined the chat.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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The massive oil find in midlands Texas has effectively lowered the priority on maintaining a stable Iraq; the only reason to stay would be to hinder Islamic extremism. Unless DT can negotiate a basing agreement with Iraq (unlikely) or a neighboring country, we'll either have to leave or become an occupying power. There's no political support for the latter. I do have sympathies for the Kurds, but their effort to create a homeland isn't our fight.
The only reason to be interested in that Syrian oil is to prevent it from again funding terrorism.

The Iraq-Syria border simply is not stable. Iraq understandably does not want the United States to be involved in cross-border operations from Iraqi bases. We need to behave with the Esper after-the-fact talks now an apparent failure.

It was the SDF who provided the manpower within Syria to support that US policy. Our efforts there were not to create a Kurdish homeland. We did, however, take steps to prevent any Kurdish realignment with Assad.

A Kurdish autonomous state in Syria was not in U.S interests (due to Turkey); a Kurdish approachment with Assad was not in U.S. interests (per current Trump Administration policy).

So we kept using the Syrian Kurds, until we screwed it up.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Traitor?

How is this treasonous? Is protecting foriegn trade routes to benefit multinational corporations loyalty to a country? Who is America?

Its interesting how far right and radical Obama democrats are.
He brokered a secret deal with Putin to pull out and let the Russians in. He did not discuss with either Congress or his own party.

Traitor.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Trump thinks he owns the world and makes decisions like handing Kurdish land to Turkey as if he owned it, and then he decided to park US troops in Iraq, again as if he owned the place. Well, Iraq is telling him to pack up and get the heck out.

Iraqi defense minister gives US troops 4 weeks to leave Iraq

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/iraqi-...to-leave-iraq/

BAGHDAD — US troops withdrawing from northeastern Syria to Iraq are “transiting” and will leave the country within four weeks, Iraq’s defense minister said Wednesday.

Najah al-Shammari made the remarks to The Associated Press following a meeting in Baghdad with visiting US Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who arrived as Iraqi leaders chafed over reports the US may want to increase the number of troops based in Iraq, at least temporarily.

Iraq’s military said Tuesday that American troops leaving northeastern Syria don’t have permission to stay in Iraq in a statement that appeared to contradict Esper, who has said that all US troops leaving Syria would continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State group from Iraq to prevent its resurgence in the region.

Where is the outrage from the war hawks? Its time to leave the middle east and then Europe and Japan.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Where is the outrage from the war hawks? Its time to leave the middle east and then Europe and Japan.
McConnell introduced a Senate resolution yesterday to tie Trump's little hands on unexpected pullbacks. Graham sold Trump on leaving American troops behind to protect the oil. Israel still weighs in.

Me, I think that leaving Americans at the oil fields now endangers U.S. soldiers who before were not targeted. Plus, Assad needs oil dollars to reconstruct the country.

This is over (or should be), with whether or not there's an ISIS resurgence totally dependent both on Putin and the Iraqi Sh' ite government. My sincere hope is that they handle it. Trump 'told them to', albeit putting it on Turkey (which is a joke) - plus geographically impossible with Turkey now restricted to a narrow border area.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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He brokered a secret deal with Putin to pull out and let the Russians in. He did not discuss with either Congress or his own party.

Traitor.
Lol, there was no secret deal, and even Russia has criticized the pull back.

Plus, the US is in Syria illegally, the US sent troops into a country and was not invited, strange you have no issue with that.
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