I debated a Socialist who said M4A will result in a huge TAX CUT for Americans... (generation, biased)

[lifeexplorer]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

In the minds of the so-called "libertarians", feudalism straight out of the middle ages is freedom and universal health care is slavery.

I have to commend the super rich for their effective propaganda.

You are still advocating slavery.

[Northman83]

Originally Posted by lifeexplorer

You are still advocating slavery.

The costs of living in a civilized and advanced society is paying taxes.


Try your "luck" and bootstrapping in a society that doesn't have functional public institutions based on taxes.

[lifeexplorer]

Originally Posted by Northman83

The costs of living in a civilized and advanced society is paying taxes.


Try your "luck" and bootstrapping in a society that doesn't have functional public institutions based on taxes.

By paying taxes, you mean forcing other people to pay for your expenses.

[Northman83]

Originally Posted by lifeexplorer

By paying taxes, you mean forcing other people to pay for your expenses.

If you dont like to pay taxes... you are free to move to a country where you dont pay taxes.

America needs taxes to function...

[lifeexplorer]

Originally Posted by Northman83

If you dont like to pay taxes... you are free to move to a country where you dont pay taxes.

America needs taxes to function...

Therefore, other people must be forced to pay for your expenses.

[Northman83]

Originally Posted by lifeexplorer

Therefore, other people must be forced to pay for your expenses.

Societies expenses..


You belive you are a special snowflake that have made and earned everything you have because of yourself.

No, YOU were lucky to be born in the USA, which has collected taxes for longer then you have been alive, to fund its institutions, to create laws to protect its citizens, educated people, funded science, made sure food is safe, medicine is safe, air travel is safe... And two or three generations BEFORE you decided they needed to do that, to advance the country, and not be some third world country.


Then you come along, and think you made it AAAALL on your own, because you are a smart cookie... just overlooking what the generations before you built and financed by taxes.... And now you are trying to convince others that paying taxes is slavery and you should be exempt.


If you dont like to pay taxes.. I am sure there are some third world nation, that needs somebody like you, that would make it aaaaaall on their own.

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Canada's GST is only 8%, they also have progressive income taxes like here, and their system works

Actually GST is 5 percent. It was 7 percent but was reduced several years ago. It's never been as high as 8 percent.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Natnasci

Actually GST is 5 percent. It was 7 percent but was reduced several years ago. It's never been as high as 8 percent.

I stand corrected, still nowhere near the 25% that InformedConsent keeps talking about though

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I stand corrected, still nowhere near the 25% that InformedConsent keeps talking about though

He is giving out a lot of false information about Canada's UHC.

Is it perfect? No. No system is.

However Canadians love it, and support it and want it expanded to include a national Pharmacare program.

The nonsense about Canadians flocking the border in droves is ridiculous and particularly ironic, considering that Americans use Canada's system for cheaper prescriptions, and many diabetics, are now coming here and buying our insulin. Let's not forget Florida, wanting to buy cheaper prescription drugs from Canada as well.

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

I am 100% correct. Canada has a two-tier health care system. Public health care with waitlists and limited coverage, and private health insurance that covers more. Why else do you think 2/3 of Canadians have private health insurance?

From Canadians, themselves:

https://international.commonwealthfu...ntries/canada/

You are 100 percent WRONG!

Under the Canada Health Act, provinces can NOT have a two tiered system. Hospitals, labs, doctors etc can NOT charge anyone that is covered by the provincial plan.

There is no queue jumping by offering to pay out of pocket. That is ILLEGAL.

Private health insurance is for dental, prescriptions and eye care. We are covered for these things IF it is medically necessary. So an operation on your eyes would be covered, optometrist eye exams are not.

YOU have been told this many times, so I want people here to understand that YOU have an agenda and you are LYING about our system to push that agenda.