It's very interesting that Obama weaponizing the IRS to attack Conservative groups was bad...

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by EddieB.Good

But Trump weaponizing the state department to attack his political rival is okay...

Obama didn't actually direct the IRS to investigate his political rivals, but Trump did...

There was no co-ordinated attempt by the Obama administration or anyone involved to develop or cover this scandal, yet there's multiple self-admitted Trump administration officials who co-ordinated to help Trump realize his plans...

The IRS attempted to strip tax-exemption status from Obama's rivals, the State Department through Trump tried to come up w/ grounds to imprison Trump's rivals...

Seems like one of these actions is much worse as an example of a POTUS using his power to attack political rivals, eh?

His "political rival" committed treason.

Do you not want to know if your politicians are being paid by foreign governments for political favors?

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

His "political rival" committed treason.

Do you not want to know if your politicians are being paid by foreign governments for political favors?

Pure, unadulterated bull****. Evidence, please.

[EddieB.Good]

Originally Posted by TEPLimey

In fairness, Trump seemed focused on getting Ukraine's prosecutorial apparatus to gin up a baseless investigation of a political rival, not the State Department. Is that better somehow?

It isn't.

Originally Posted by Vacanegro

Trump's actions are (and will be) judged on their own merits (or lack thereof).



Why we get these endless comparisons to Obama or Hillary just seems to be missing the point of did he violate his oath of office and/or break the law.

This is just to expose the how dumb the argument in support of Trump is when Conservatives still claim this as a prime example of Obama's corruption.

Originally Posted by saltine

So now youre admitting the irs scandal?

For arguments sake, to show how dumb the Conservative argument is, I'm willing to swim in your delusions and say the IRS scandal is exactly everything you claim it is.

Originally Posted by Spottednikes

The pres is required to uphold laws/constitution and that includes investigating corruption. We have biden bragging about getting a prosecutor fired, and 4 dems demanding ukraine try to find or make up dirt on trump.
There was no quid pro quo with trump/ukraine. Ukraine pres verified that. Money was released to them with no action taken by ukraine regarding biden.

So the IRS can't target people to investigate based on political affiliation, but the POTUS can?

Originally Posted by thecoalman

It wasn't religious organizations, specifically it was any group with the name "tea party" and a few other conservative names. The IRS is not allowed to target groups based on specific political or religious affiliation for obvious reasons. They are allowed to target political organizations, they are not allowed to target Conservative organizations.

So the IRS can't target people to investigate based on political affiliation, but the POTUS can?