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Old 11-01-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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The rural US has been depopulating and moving to cities for decades now due to the force of capitalism.

Califonia grew to over 30mil due to the force of capitalism.

Capitalism is a pulling force, you seem to only recognize the power of shoving instead of leading.
People have free choice to move where ever they want under Capitalism.
If you refuse in China, they will kill you.

Communism has made a lot of investors in America very wealthy.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Despite the horrific trail of dead bodies left in its wake, people still continue to cling to the delusion that Communism will somehow work. It's been tried repeatedly, and it only "works" after the rulers embrace capitalism. Try basing your system of government on actual human motivations, rather than a two century old work of fantasy.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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People have free choice to move where ever they want under Capitalism.
If you refuse in China, they will kill you.

Communism has made a lot of investors in America very wealthy.
You missed the point entirely.

Also, you keep repeating that last sentence but it means nothing.

How exactly did americans invest in communism? Does it have a stock symbol?
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You missed the point entirely.

Also, you keep repeating that last sentence but it means nothing.

How exactly did americans invest in communism? Does it have a stock symbol?
America is an uprooted society.

Housing is owned by large banking organizations who provide owners with credit;

The Fractional Reserve Banking system keeps individuals on a tight leash, needing to pay off interests while large investors keep prices high by concentrating capital and speculating on land value.

There is no culture or social organizations like in old rural china which still existed as its imperial roots. Just like the Natives had roots in their tribes, capitalists couldn't convince them to sell their land/urbanize without force.

At our stage people need to move where there is work to keep their living standards afloat and the government funded. If people didn't do what was efficient government/private organizations would suffer. Force already is applied through confiscation and poverty for none complying members.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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I hear many say today that Capitalism is responsible for lifting many in China out poverty.
The Chinese Government by decree bull dozed over many farms and sent them to the cities to make widgets.

250 Million of them.
That is Communism in action.

Without force via Communism, China would not be where it is today.


https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/w...to-cities.html



China’s Great Uprooting: Moving 250 Million Into Cities


BEIJING — China is pushing ahead with a sweeping plan to move 250 million rural residents into newly constructed towns and cities over the next dozen years — a transformative event that could set off a new wave of growth or saddle the country with problems for generations to come.
Don't you wish you were part of that 250 million? herded like cattle where you may not want to go and killed if you complain.........sounds like heaven to me.........
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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I hear many say today that Capitalism is responsible for lifting many in China out poverty.
The Chinese Government by decree bull dozed over many farms and sent them to the cities to make widgets.

250 Million of them.
That is Communism in action.

Without force via Communism, China would not be where it is today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/w...to-cities.html

China’s Great Uprooting: Moving 250 Million Into Cities

BEIJING — China is pushing ahead with a sweeping plan to move 250 million rural residents into newly constructed towns and cities over the next dozen years — a transformative event that could set off a new wave of growth or saddle the country with problems for generations to come.



China has NEVER practiced communism. They have a communist party, but they don't actually practice it.


What you are referring to is urbanization. China is not forcing anyone to move to the cities, they are just pouring resources there so it citizens would be motivated to move there.


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Old 11-01-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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People have free choice to move where ever they want under Capitalism.
If you refuse in China, they will kill you.

Let's stop this stupid fake news.

China don't force anyone to move anywhere. Citizens in China are free to live anywhere within its border.

They are just putting resources in cities, the citizens move to the cities on their own free will because there are jobs.

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Old 11-01-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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Don't you wish you were part of that 250 million? herded like cattle where you may not want to go and killed if you complain.........sounds like heaven to me.........

Jesus! Where is this STUPID idea that China forces people to live in specific places come from?? Which right-wing blog is spreading this????

People honestly think any government has the time and resource to oversee 1.3 billion people's whereabout????

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Old 11-01-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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China has NEVER practiced communism. They have a communist party, but they don't actually practice it.


What you are referring to is urbanization. China is not forcing anyone to move to the cities, they are just pouring resources there so it citizens would be motivated to move there.


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Force is always applied to none conforming people. Like the natives, historically rooted people who don't want to work for a machine most be concentrated into large industrial areas for economic efficiency.

It is top down organization that made China and America wealthy nations, not choices of the individual.

Like the natives a people who don't behave in an economic efficiently way are a threat to government revenues and financial power.

For wealth to be created they are moved, and in societies that are uprooted like ours today most housing is influenced by internal banking loan markets that require interest to pay off. Housing is always priced above a starting wage through speculative means and over concentration of capital so people are reliant on our credit system, then societal costs for work like gas/commute times/ and consumable goods increased costs where people are reliant on the corporate job market.

People living in Dallas or LA aren't rooted to their lands like the natives or rural Chinese farmers were, so they can be moved or evicted from their housing once the supply of cash is cut off from them.

The behavior of American capitalists who built this country like JP Morgan were the same as communist ideologues in Russia and China. Power has always been used to create wealth since before the Roman Empire. It has nothing to do with personal freedom; give peasants freedom and they will do little that is considered productive. They need order and management to become effective populations. And that requires collectivization and top down control, either from the state or private capital (extension of the state). Marx and Engels offered the best solution for this organization just like Lycurgus in Sparta: equality and democracy. It is the same standards the gulags were self managed by, and how corporate America collectivizes labor under their control.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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The only known cases of China actually forcing people to move is when it comes to housing the poor who relies on government build low-income housing. Similar to our housing projects.


They moved the poor off their land in rural China and moved to where the government project housing is. But we're talking 0.02% of the population. And the residents have the freedom to move anywhere they like on their own dime.


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