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Old 11-03-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by redwood66 View Post
Are you against exports then?
We are risking our aquifers, wildlife, and farm land to enrich oil companies. You like that?

BTW, much of this oil is going to China! What is wrong with that picture?

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=MTTEXCH1&f=M

 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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Default And what happened?

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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
They got their pipeline, and now they get free oil. All they have to do is scoop it up from their back yard.

Keystone Pipeline Leaks 383,000 Gallons of Oil in North Dakota

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/u...line-leak.html

The Keystone pipeline system, an addition to which has been the subject of environmental protests for years, leaked about 383,000 gallons of crude oil in North Dakota, covering an estimated half-acre of wetland, state environmental regulators said.

The spill, which began on Tuesday night and has been contained, occurred in a low-gradient drainage area near the small town of Edinburg in northeast North Dakota, less than 50 miles from the Canadian border, according to Karl Rockeman, the director of the state Department of Environmental Quality’s division of water quality.


On Thursday, another oil spill was reported on an aboveground pipeline operated by New Horizon Resources, more than 300 miles west of Edinburg. According to the state’s Department of Environmental Quality, about 84,400 gallons leaked into pastureland in McKenzie County, about 15 miles north of Alexander, near the Montana border.

Ever been to North Dakota or Montana?
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Here is a history lesson. Keystone phases 1-3 all completed prior to 2015. Phase 4 was keystone XL.
You mean 383,000 Gallons of Oil is bad only if it comes from the XL?
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
We are risking our aquifers, wildlife, and farm land to enrich oil companies. You like that?

BTW, much of this oil is going to China! What is wrong with that picture?

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=MTTEXCH1&f=M
We should give our $ to the ME for oil instead? Where is your concern for their water sources?
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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Could be in the greater scheme of things this leak is not damaging a big area, but the point being.....all these little things add up.

It is devastating when we allow this to happen to our planet.

And forget about the total irrational thought process to go to Mars to explore if we could live there while we are still dumping on our home planet.

I'm not usually a big tree hugging environmentalist. I think there is a balance but to dismiss this damage because it isn't much is just a way of dismissing bad management, policies, procedures.
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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And they will clean it up better than it was before. It is still the SAFEST way to transport petroleum. Way safer than rail or over the road.

Do you want energy to live or not? Again there will be no net environmental negatives when they get done with the clean up. Damn Libs just hate everything practical. Stop the sky is falling crap. Do you want ot rely on some MIDDLE EAST HELL HOLE. And if some of it is exported that is a good thing to keep world oil prices stable. Our energy prices depend on the WORLD MARKET.


Liberal/Progressives have no vision, especially no WORLD VISION.
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:39 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Looks like they're going to need more duct tape. The odor is probably quite unpleasant, but at least it isn't burning.
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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And they will clean it up better than it was before. It is still the SAFEST way to transport petroleum. Way safer than rail or over the road.

Do you want energy to live or not? Again there will be no net environmental negatives when they get done with the clean up. Damn Libs just hate everything practical. Stop the sky is falling crap. Do you want ot rely on some MIDDLE EAST HELL HOLE. And if some of it is exported that is a good thing to keep world oil prices stable. Our energy prices depend on the WORLD MARKET.


Liberal/Progressives have no vision, especially no WORLD VISION.
Absolutely.
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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You mean 383,000 Gallons of Oil is bad only if it comes from the XL?
Despite your straw man argument, this is Politics and Other Controversies. You cannot have oil pipelines without the occasional spill and the relatively tiny size of the spill means it's not controversial. (Unlike say the Gulf of Mexico oil spill)

So that leads us to political, which since this isn't a specific incident that can be blamed on Trump makes it a relative non-starter.

I mean, why not start a thread about the 90 people a day that die in car accidents in the US? By starting this thread instead of that do you mean you care more about oil than peoples lives? Tsk tsk...for shame....for shame....
 
Old 11-03-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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Could be in the greater scheme of things this leak is not damaging a big area, but the point being.....all these little things add up.

It is devastating when we allow this to happen to our planet.

And forget about the total irrational thought process to go to Mars to explore if we could live there while we are still dumping on our home planet.

I'm not usually a big tree hugging environmentalist. I think there is a balance but to dismiss this damage because it isn't much is just a way of dismissing bad management, policies, procedures.
Well, with human error as an ever present factor you're never going to have perfect outcomes even with perfect management, policies and procedures.

Here is an example, many years ago a guy doing maintenance on an ICBM in it's silo here in the US used the wrong type of wrench. Something fell down the silo and punctured the side and it started spraying out liquid oxygen. They all ran for their lives. A short while later the blast from the silo landed the silo roof and the plutonium warhead a mile or so away in a farmers field.

I mean crud, we've actually LOST nuclear weapons which remain unrecovered to this day.

That's reality.
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