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Old 11-04-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81 View Post
All states grow through a combination of natural growth (births vs deaths) and immigration. In the majority of states, natural change is by far the biggest factor in growth, and that is also true of California. Of the 2,302,522 total growth 2010-2018, 1,984,436 was through natural growth. 333,168 was through immigration. This means that 82.2% of California's net growth this decade was just through native birthrates and not through your fevered imagination's waves of "illegals".

As for the remaining 17.8%, the majority of international immigrants were not undocumented and many came from Asia.

Maybe you should try researching the claims you make because this was embarrassing.
First, you cannot measure something that isn't measurable. Even this left leaning site still clings to 11 million when it's undoubtedly double that.

Based on apprehensions it's easy to know that probably just as many get through not including visa overstays.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


https://www.ppic.org/publication/und...in-california/


But the best estimates suggest that in 2014, the year of the most recent data available, California was home to between 2.35 and 2.6 million undocumented immigrants. (That's million ya know with an M) Nearly a quarter of the nation’s undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state’s population. (easily double that)

Even high school aged kids know the difference between illegal and legal immigration.

 
Old 11-04-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer View Post
First, you cannot measure something that isn't measurable. Even this left leaning site still clings to 11 million when it's undoubtedly double that.

Based on apprehensions it's easy to know that probably just as many get through not including visa overstays.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


https://www.ppic.org/publication/und...in-california/


But the best estimates suggest that in 2014, the year of the most recent data available, California was home to between 2.35 and 2.6 million undocumented immigrants. (That's million ya know with an M) Nearly a quarter of the nation’s undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state’s population. (easily double that)

Even high school aged kids know the difference between illegal and legal immigration.
So wait, you said that California's growth is mostly due to undocumented immigrants. Yet here you are saying that you can't count them. So how in the world can you state that California's growth is caused by people you can't count? How would you even be able to say how much of California's growth is from them if you have no way of knowing how many there were in 2010 vs now?
Again, you're embarrassing yourself with this stuff and you're not going to win the argument with this many self owns.
 
Old 11-04-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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Is it true that people who have solar panels MUST have their power output connected only to the power grid and can't be used to power their own homes? This can't be true.

If I had solar in CA, I would be making some adjustments to mitigate the effects of these rolling blackouts.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 05:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So wait, you said that California's growth is mostly due to undocumented immigrants. Yet here you are saying that you can't count them. So how in the world can you state that California's growth is caused by people you can't count? How would you even be able to say how much of California's growth is from them if you have no way of knowing how many there were in 2010 vs now?
Again, you're embarrassing yourself with this stuff and you're not going to win the argument with this many self owns.
Even an idiot can tell illegal immigration is out of control here. Do you have kids in school here? Have you been in an ER? Those of us that live here... ya it's obvious. The absolute only people barking for illegals have skin in the game. AKA are anchor kids or have relatives that are here illegally. It's a tribal mentality that puts Country second after culture and race.

YOU are the one stating growth is or isn't from illegals. I'm stating the fact that it is way more than your team is claiming. Growth from people that aren't supposed to be here is never a good thing.

Anyway, enough derailment. California could do much much more to lesson the effects of fire season. One is holding utilities like SDGE or PGE to keeping fire lanes clear out in the sticks. I've seen the forest service clearing lanes but haven't seen a utility truck trimming trees in years.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Is it true that people who have solar panels MUST have their power output connected only to the power grid and can't be used to power their own homes? This can't be true.

If I had solar in CA, I would be making some adjustments to mitigate the effects of these rolling blackouts.


Many states are like that, just not CA. In my state, the Utility (Electric/Gas company) mandates that solar panels be connected to the grid. If they power goes out, the panels can not power your home, as they go through the same circuitry. Therefore they can not be used for back up. The only way to get power is through a back up generator. I guess if you are an electrician, or have the skills you could ILLEGALLY run power from the panels directly to your home, but the new smart meters will tell the power company what you did, and they will shut you down.

My neighbor is a licensed electrician. He and his brother, also a licensed electrician installed solar panels on his roof, as well as the other required infrastructure. He told me that he will not bypass the electric company grid due to repercussions that would happen when they found out, and he said the WILL find out.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Trump is 100% correct. You don't see other states with this level of out of control fires.

California does need to clean up their act. Raise state taxes 10-20% and get these forests under control.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Trump is 100% correct. You don't see other states with this level of out of control fires.

California does need to clean up their act. Raise state taxes 10-20% and get these forests under control.

They don't need more taxes. They need less corruption from the environmental activist lobby buying Democrat politicians.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Actually CA is the worlds 5th largest economy, so the comparison to Mexico is not a very educated one.


Much of which depends on high taxation that is often offset with federal funding, exemptions or deducted from federal taxes.

Leave the country and California loses all of that financial support that helps to prop up its liberal policies.

There's more to "education" than looking at the surface numbers.

You have to look at what drives the numbers and makes them possible.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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Let the Democrats pay for it! They have already destroyed California! Time for them to clean up their own BIG mess.
 
Old 11-05-2019, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by FatBob96 View Post
Much of which depends on high taxation that is often offset with federal funding, exemptions or deducted from federal taxes.

Leave the country and California loses all of that financial support that helps to prop up its liberal policies.

There's more to "education" than looking at the surface numbers.

You have to look at what drives the numbers and makes them possible.
Eh

The numbers have been looked at in this thread, and CA pays more than it takes in, and according to what economic model does taxation make a State wealthy?
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