What's The Point of Being Hard Working and Successful when Democrats want to Punish me for it? (Putin, radical)

[TKO]

Originally Posted by drinkthekoolaid

Money and success motivate people.


Why go above and beyond if you won't see the fruits of your labors and watch as a slug who does nothing is equal to you

It's the foundation America is built upon.

Europeans grew up in a different system with different expectations.


I think you grossly underestimate how many people would "go Galt".

Yup, crying keep your government hands off my medicare the whole way.

[G1..]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

A lady who works with me scoffed at the idea of working some overtime hours. She would get double pay for it, but she was like, no thank you, because the more I work, the more gets taken out of my check and goes to things that don't benefit me at all.

I also know several people who turned down raises because they want to stay below a certain wage so they can take advantage of welfare benefits. I asked one why would she turn down $150,000 a year and stay at $30,000, thinking she could buy a house and get out of her apartment, and she's like, what's the point of owning a house? You still have to pay for it and you can't even just pass it off to your kids like she could if she still lived in Mexico, so it's better for her to just get section 8 and EBT cards.

And this makes me wonder, if the democrats won everything in the USA, their plan is to tax the hell out of all successful people to pay for all the losers who voted for them, so really, what's the point of me or anyone else working hard to be successful if the democrats are just going to tax me to hell for it? I'm single and have no kids or dependents except my mother, but she doesn't count, so I sure won't be getting any kind of tax break. And every year, it's getting harder and harder to keep my businesses afloat, and the company I work for is also hurting with all of the regulations and taxes. I'm thinking of just selling off my properties, farm and my interest in a bar, and just go live off the grid. Heck, the company I work for is seriously thinking of moving it to Vietnam.

And I just have to wonder, the countries that have the socialism that the democrats here are striving for, how is their innovation been since they became socialists? Seems to me that in the past, the USA was the place to go to try new things and think outside the box, to reach for the stars, but if we keep taxing the hell out of those dreams, then why even bother trying?

LOL, that was a funny story, tell us another one?

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

A lady who works with me scoffed at the idea of working some overtime hours. She would get double pay for it, but she was like, no thank you, because the more I work, the more gets taken out of my check and goes to things that don't benefit me at all.

I also know several people who turned down raises because they want to stay below a certain wage so they can take advantage of welfare benefits. I asked one why would she turn down $150,000 a year and stay at $30,000, thinking she could buy a house and get out of her apartment, and she's like, what's the point of owning a house? You still have to pay for it and you can't even just pass it off to your kids like she could if she still lived in Mexico, so it's better for her to just get section 8 and EBT cards.

And this makes me wonder, if the democrats won everything in the USA, their plan is to tax the hell out of all successful people to pay for all the losers who voted for them, so really, what's the point of me or anyone else working hard to be successful if the democrats are just going to tax me to hell for it? I'm single and have no kids or dependents except my mother, but she doesn't count, so I sure won't be getting any kind of tax break. And every year, it's getting harder and harder to keep my businesses afloat, and the company I work for is also hurting with all of the regulations and taxes. I'm thinking of just selling off my properties, farm and my interest in a bar, and just go live off the grid. Heck, the company I work for is seriously thinking of moving it to Vietnam.

And I just have to wonder, the countries that have the socialism that the democrats here are striving for, how is their innovation been since they became socialists? Seems to me that in the past, the USA was the place to go to try new things and think outside the box, to reach for the stars, but if we keep taxing the hell out of those dreams, then why even bother trying?

At 1 place I worked we had a LOT of overtime.


1 guy figured out at what point in the year we actually netted LESS working overtime because it put us in a higher tax bracket.

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by Rachel976

I know someome who turned down a raise because it would put her over the Obamacare subsidy cliff and she would have to pay back her advance premium subsidy. Her raise was $5,000 and the amount she'd have to pay back for Obamacare was $8,000.

You know a law is really bad when the only way to survive it is to earn LESS money.

And I know multiple people that turned down offers for better jobs at new employers because they couldn't afford to be without insurance coverage of their "pre-existing conditions" for 6 mos. So?

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Originally Posted by warhorse78

I can't speak for Warren, but because I know people who live in Vermont and Maine, they are getting very irritated with the high taxes, and it's not even going to anything legit. What is happening is the very wealthy have decided to make states like Vermont, Maine, Connecticut and upstate NY into their private playgrounds, and to keep it nice and just for them, they make sure the cost of living is so high, the middle and lower class have no choice but to end up moving. And I also find it funny that these states that are prime Democrat areas, also tend to be the Whitest.

You made a lot of claims. How about something credible to back them up?

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Originally Posted by Old Town FFX

That seems to be a large part of being a conservative these days. Blame others for your short comings. After all, if you're so worried about an immigrant with no connections, coming to the USA and taking your job, perhaps you should up your game. but no, that makes NO sense to conservatives/republicans/trump supporters.

"That seems to be a large part of being a conservative these days. Blame others for your short comings"

You misspelled word. It should be, That seems to be a large part of being a liberals these days. Blame others for your short comings.

[xray731]

Originally Posted by moneill

I don't know any Democrat that makes 30K....lol....they are all in six figures. I guess we live in different bubbles.

So I can't relate to your perception.

That is your problem - you don't realize that there are many of we Democrats that are lower middle class or have a hard time with the change to the Health Care under Obama. Not every Dem makes 6 figures and is happy supporting others. I have a hard enough time supporter ourselves. There are not just Rich Democrats and Poor democrats - most of us are in the middle or lower class so paying for all these programs are hurting us - the middle class that supposedly Democrats are trying to protect.

I know many people that are sick of working hard only to see the gov't - whether local or federal take it away - and I live in a Democratic state whose residents are leaving in droves. So I'm sure there are more just like me.

[Biker53]

After making many sacrifices to acquire an education and skills I had a big job making multiple 6 figures a year but I had been working 50 - 60 hours a week for decades and tethered to my job otherwise with cell phone & laptop when I wasn't working. I was paying more in taxes than most people gross and finally decided no more. I was weary of working my tail off vs others who hardly work at all and then listening to the far left Dems screech endlessly that people like me weren't paying our fair share and posing us as being the problem. Rather than continuing to feed an ungrateful monster I quit working with more than enough money to live well for the rest of my life. Society now no longer gets the big pile of taxes I had been paying for years and years, nor does society get the benefit of my hard work and expertise. Atlas Shrugged.

[xray731]

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

You made a lot of claims. How about something credible to back them up?

And what's it going to take to back that statement up. Dems always counter with show me the proof.

Fact - NY State is Blue. https://www.democratandchronicle.com...-s/2362167002/ - "New York's population continues to decline faster than any other state, according to new data released Wednesday by the U.S. Census Bureau."

Yearly taxes on a $100,000 home in upstate NY close to $5,000 - with taxes going up each year - retirees are leaving because they can't afford the taxes.

Whitest states in America - https://www.roadsnacks.net/whitest-states-in-america/

There's your proof - now learn to google!

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

A lady who works with me scoffed at the idea of working some overtime hours. She would get double pay for it, but she was like, no thank you, because the more I work, the more gets taken out of my check and goes to things that don't benefit me at all.

I also know several people who turned down raises because they want to stay below a certain wage so they can take advantage of welfare benefits. I asked one why would she turn down $150,000 a year and stay at $30,000, thinking she could buy a house and get out of her apartment, and she's like, what's the point of owning a house? You still have to pay for it and you can't even just pass it off to your kids like she could if she still lived in Mexico, so it's better for her to just get section 8 and EBT cards.

And this makes me wonder, if the democrats won everything in the USA, their plan is to tax the hell out of all successful people to pay for all the losers who voted for them, so really, what's the point of me or anyone else working hard to be successful if the democrats are just going to tax me to hell for it? I'm single and have no kids or dependents except my mother, but she doesn't count, so I sure won't be getting any kind of tax break. And every year, it's getting harder and harder to keep my businesses afloat, and the company I work for is also hurting with all of the regulations and taxes. I'm thinking of just selling off my properties, farm and my interest in a bar, and just go live off the grid. Heck, the company I work for is seriously thinking of moving it to Vietnam.

And I just have to wonder, the countries that have the socialism that the democrats here are striving for, how is their innovation been since they became socialists? Seems to me that in the past, the USA was the place to go to try new things and think outside the box, to reach for the stars, but if we keep taxing the hell out of those dreams, then why even bother trying?

Ah, well...

SOMEbody has to work hard to pay down the debt that those tRump tax breaks give to the ultra wealthy.

The GOP's take on individual success:

IF your job is to lounge around the pool, sipping drinks prepared by the "domestic staff" and waiting for those dividends to arrive, then America just hasn't been good to you and you deserve another tax break.

IF you and your family actually work for a living, then you parasites owe America's wealthy more than you can ever repay. And don't even dare to look into the corporate welfare that pads their bottom lines.

Work a second/third job at low pay to try to keep your head above water.