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No, I know a lot of righties that are plenty smart that support Trump. They hate him and know he's terrible for America but he's better than Hilldog. I say whatever to that. They know better but can't admit it.
The uneducated morons are the ones who love Trump and think his ridiculous antics are funny and the right thing to do because they make other people upset.
The uneducated morons want the freebies that Warren is putting out there.. free college so they can sit in their parents basement after the graduate.
a very uneducated response and claim to make, if anything it sounds more like a excuse made up to try to explain a reason why Trump won instead of listening to or realizing why Clinton lost and why there is a good chance the Democratic candidate will loose against him again.
And as far as progress or defining it, what you or some may define as progress some define as degenerating or deteriorating, and not as in wanting to go back to the 50's or to before women or people of a color had equal rights as some on the left like to claim a Trump supporter wants (another uneducated statement by them) but rather remembering other human history where the majority preyed on the minority and where government for the supposed greater good of the masses squashed individual liberty aka socialism and communism for example.
There also seems a snobbish and disconnect between the high density urban, and the not. One only has to see that the urban democrat in NYC and other urban centers decide the fate of the entire state of NY, the same in California, now the same in Virginia. Even in blue states if you get out of the urban cities they are hardly solid blue. Now recently we have had the urban left progressives propose eliminating the electoral college and adding senators based on population of a state, calling it a more "educated" and "fair" thing to do when really its about consolidating the urban left vote and control even more over the states and country itself. They say it is for caring about one vote mattering, but no it's not, they say that some of the aspects to the bill of rights and constitution is antiquated but really it's showing how uneducated and forgotten they are on the history of humankind to control others with the "end justifies the means" mentality.
Excellent points -- and what you stated in the third paragraph is why when we were looking for our retirement home we did not even consider New York or Massachusetts, although the rural parts of those states are simply beautiful.
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The college grads who do a liberal arts program tend to be more liberal.
College grads who do other programs have a greater political diversity.
Most engineers that I know are Republicans.
And I worked with 100s engineers, most of who were Dem.
Now that we our experiences, I can say that neither matter. I'd like to see some actual data on it.
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well from my experience the so called "educated", the ones who only vote liberal or straight democrat are uneducated and extremely disconnected or better yet live in bubble with their own kind. Let's not forget to there are many people who are "educated" with Phd's who secretly voted for Trump and have to stay quiet because of fear.
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To be clear, I certainly do not believe that a college degree is the only form of education.
You can be without a college degree and still be very educated. Perhaps that describes you.
But I would also contend that people who do not have a college degree are also in most cases the type of people that choose not to avail themselves of other avenues of education and are thus easily swayed by low information arguments.
Educated and smart are two totally separate things. Most recent college graduates are more indoctrinated than educated. In 2016 every income bracket above 45k went for Trump, every income bracket below 45k went to Clinton(by a wide margin) are we to believe the poor are smarter than the middle and upper classes? Of course not. The democrats thrive on low information voters. Republicans always win the politically engaged vote.
Actually makes sense, the left's whole platform is based on "Free shi...stuff" If you're a hard working fairly successful american then the aspect of bringing back jobs so everyone has a chance to be gainfully employed is going to be more of an incentive to vote republican vs democrats who just want to expand welfare programs and encourage government dependency.
Actually makes sense, the left's whole platform is based on "Free shi...stuff" If you're a hard working fairly successful american then the aspect of bringing back jobs so everyone has a chance to be gainfully employed is going to be more of an incentive to vote republican vs democrats who just want to expand welfare programs and encourage government dependency.
Only it really isn't. I don't know one single dem who thinks that way. Some people need free **** and stuff and we want to help those people. We are not so cynical, bitter and mean to think that everyone getting help is a moocher but we are pragmatic enough to know that there are going to be some moochers. They are the price of helping those who really need it. We should target enforcement of the rules more, but that would mean expanding those programs to pay for people to oversee them properly. The right has a problem with that.
I don't have a college degree, I'm white. Are you saying I'm lacking in education to vote or support a party or candidate correctly? And for those that have a college degree, what makes them more qualified to vote and to take a stance on a topic, a topic which they have no degree on? For instance what makes a urban divorce lawyer more qualified to vote and comment or take a position on immigration, gun control, trade, medical care and such compared to someone with only a high school diploma?
Absolutely nothing. In fact I would say the working class; laborers, tradesmen, service people, have more experience with life issues such as those you listed than someone who has spent a chunk of their life attending a university. Especially when that education and living expense were paid for with someone else's hard earned money.
I did get a college degree but none of those classes made me anymore qualified to form opinions or vote on issues than the next person.
Anyone can get online and research issues and candidates stance and voting history.
Absolutely nothing. In fact I would say the working class; laborers, tradesmen, service people, have more experience with life issues such as those you listed than someone who has spent a chunk of their life attending a university. Especially when that education and living expense were paid for with someone else's hard earned money.
I did get a college degree but none of those classes made me anymore qualified to form opinions or vote on issues than the next person.
Anyone can get online and research issues and candidates stance and voting history.
Anyone can get online and believe a bunch of nonsense. Cause it's out there. You don't think learning how to properly research, attribute and defend a paper taught you to be a little discerning in your choice of materiel which to research?
I went to college and it taught me there's a bunch of things in life that I'm not qualified to have much of an opinion on and to trust those who make deriving those opinions their lives work. To think they all have political agendas that influence that work is stupidly and self-destructively cynical.
There is more to being educated than just having a degree.
That is, a lot of people see the world as what they trained for and anything else is "that's not my job!". Now, there is nothing wrong with that but that is seeing the world from the specialist point of view.......but then again, there is also the generalist point of view.
My office mate looked at my diplomas once, degrees in marine biology, engineering technology, and criminal justice.....and was wondering what in the heck was I doing working in data communications.
The thing is that as a Renaissance Lady, a generalist extraordinaire, I know A LOT about A LOT and can work in many different fields. At least 2 of my degrees have major, minor, or course work about data communications though they might not say it directly.
Now, might someone say I am uneducated? They might if they don't understand the generalist approach of things, if they believe that in order to talk about something, especially to someone with a doctorate in a particular subject, you have to be a specialist as well in that topic. If not, then you only listen. If you still talk, then you are ignorant and perhaps are just mansplaning.
Of course, I don't see things that way, I think in logic by analogy.
But in a world of specialists, it is sometimes hard to be understood when you are a generalist.
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