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Old 11-08-2019, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I believe McConnell has said that he would allow a trial. I am not sure he has authority to do otherwise, constitutionally. Remember, the trial is presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

This process is not a coup. It is a constitutional process. The same process has been used twice before in our history.
If the house impeaches, there will be a trial, per the constitution, but it could be over in 2 words: "case dismissed."

It probably won't happen that way though, as McConnell will want to take advantage of the opportunity to make house democrats look like azz-clowns.

What's the Democrat's strategy? Driving off a cliff. Or perhaps a better metaphor is 'painting themselves into a corner.' They've tried how many different ploys to get rid of Trump? Russia, emoluments, Stormy, 25th Amendment, etc? Another metaphor, perhaps politically incorrect these days, is the 'tar baby.'

You have to watch until at least 2:50 or so to get the gist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMw-8Ttu10
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:35 PM
 
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If the house impeaches, there will be a trial, per the constitution, but it could be over in 2 words: "case dismissed."

It probably won't happen that way though, as McConnell will want to take advantage of the opportunity to make house democrats look like azz-clowns.

What's the Democrat's strategy? Driving off a cliff. Or perhaps a better metaphor is 'painting themselves into a corner.' They've tried how many different ploys to get rid of Trump? Russia, emoluments, Stormy, 25th Amendment, etc? Another metaphor, perhaps politically incorrect these days, is the 'tar baby.'

You have to watch until at least 2:50 or so to get the gist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMw-8Ttu10
Most of us realize the Senate will never vote to impeach Trump. I'm glad the Dems did this inquiry even if it means losing the election. We'll see how it all plays out, won't we?
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:41 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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It is pretty hard to convince people that the President of the United States committed a crime by persuading a foreign country’s leader to look into corruption in his country. At some point, people are going to ask – What is the big deal?

I think the Democrats are going to lose the dialogue on this one pretty quickly.
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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It is pretty hard to convince people that the President of the United States committed a crime by asking a foreign country’s leader to look into corruption in his country. At some point, people are going to ask – What is the big deal?

I think the Democrats are going to lose the dialogue on this one pretty quickly.
LOL. Pretending Trump wants to stop corruption is the biggest lie yet.

Is this where the Republicans have landed in terms of defense? Do they really think the American people are that stupid?

There is no reason at all to believe that Trump cares about corruption. Has he ever expressed concern over his pals, the Saudis? Or his BFF, Putin? Massive corruption on those countries and Dump never blinked an eye. Never really blinked an eye when the Saudi's dismembered an american journalist.

And IF all he cared about was 'rooting out corruption in Ukraine" - why did he insist on Ukraine making a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT?

He just wanted them to generate unfavorable news about the Bidens. The one and only thing he actually cared about.
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Old 11-08-2019, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Most of us realize the Senate will never vote to impeach Trump. I'm glad the Dems did this inquiry even if it means losing the election. We'll see how it all plays out, won't we?
Agreed on the 3rd sentence. At this point nobody really knows what's coming. This is uncharted territory.

I'm not glad that Pelosi has decided to do it this way, however. If we want to move the country forward with more progressive policies, this is not the way. The House has accomplished virtually zero since taking over on Jan 3, 2019.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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No, this is about respecting our Constitution and the oversea our founders gave our congress. Republicans don't speak up because they are cowards and afraid of Trump. So they put party before country. They need to get their talking points straight because they are all over the place trying to defend Trump.
The Constitution is perfectly clear that the Congress does not have Judicial powers. Our Founders wrote, at the time, that otherwise the Congress would very quickly de-evolve into passing Bills of Attainder, and we plainly see that they were correct. English law is still vexed by the term “maladministration,” which our Founders considered and purposely rejected.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/...-the-president

https://www.thoughtco.com/high-crime...nition-4140196

James Madison argued that “maladministration” was so vague that it might allow Congress to remove presidents based purely on a political or ideological bias. This, argued Madison, would violate the separation of powers by giving the legislative branch total power over the executive branch.

George Mason agreed with Madison and proposed “high crimes and misdemeanors against the state.” In the end, the convention reached a compromise and adopted “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors” as it appears in the Constitution today.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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They have made the calculation that they will lose to Trump in 2020 if they don't find something actually negative or enough fake stories their media accomplice liars will use to try to win the 2020 election....next up is their hope to destroy the Constitution and our freedoms.
A main problem the Leftists always have is that they live in the past.
They continue to use OLD Playbooks. Nixon resigned, rather than face Impeachment ... they hope Trump will do the same. They still talk as if we have both 1800’s Slavery AND 1900’s Jim Crow, while ignoring that Democrats led both. They continue to forget that in this Century we have Video Tape, Twitter, and none of it ever goes away.

They think the D.C. Swamp will always protect them and the Leftist Media will always both support and cover for them. They never once consider .... “What if we are Wrong?”

They refuse to consider that they went too far in the attempt to Nullify the 2016 Presidential Election by over 60 Million Citizen Voters. They don’t understand Donald Trump and will never understand ( or accept) the Citizens who elected him. They are incapable of understanding.

So be it. ... they will eventually learn.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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I believe McConnell has said that he would allow a trial. I am not sure he has authority to do otherwise, constitutionally. Remember, the trial is presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

This process is not a coup. It is a constitutional process. The same process has been used twice before in our history.
Well having the trial would probably be for the best of Republicans because they'll be able to expose this whole thing as a fraud and force a lot of people to testify who don't want to.....but I think that would be harmful for the country.

The minimum requirement is for the Senate to accept the impeachment articles from the House and then they'd officially begin the "trial"....but it could then instantly end with a simple majority vote. I see that as doing the best thing for the country. Wasting time on this foolishness would help Republicans beat up on Democrats, but I'd rather they just get back to trying to do their jobs rather than grandstanding and dunking on Democrats.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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Impeachment Inquiry, what's the Dem's strategy here?
To apply the rules of law the founding fathers laid out for us to use. If trump has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about .
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Impeachment Inquiry, what's the Dem's strategy here?
To apply the rules of law the founding fathers laid out for us to use. If trump has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about .
Shouldn’t that same principal apply to the Biden’s?
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