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May Day is a specific day, not even called "May Victory".
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
A Soviet apologist, now those are a rarity these days.
Not an apologist at all, but you seem to forget the fact if not for attacking the USSR, the USSR would not have been in the position to occupy. You want to attack, but then cry after the results.
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
If you want to call the cold war with its brutal subjugation of basic human rights in East Germany, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary etc. etc. "peaceful", then I guess it's your right. Brutal subjugation of dissenting opinion does, after all, make for a quite peaceful environment.
Yes, peaceful, but I guess you think the Holocaust, killing millions of others through war, and the millions more over the centuries "peaceful", not know what to say to you. Europe before the Soviet occupation, was at a state of war for almost the entirety of its civilized existence.
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The Soviets were absolute totalitarian bastards in the way they treated their occupied territories - and their own people - and so the second the actual Poles, Hungarians etc. had a chance, they sent their occupiers packing in the general direction of Moscow, flipped communism the bird, and did all in their power to not have to extend forced hospitality to Russians ever again.
Yes, they were brutal, and that is what it took to keep the European clowns at bay from killing each other and invading Russia, yet again, as the Nazis were not the first ones.
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The most peaceful timeframe in Europe was after the fall of the Wall - another Soviet gift to the world - when Russia was concerned with her own matters and not busily trying to become a dominant power in Europe. Well, they went and got themselves a totalitarian despot and now it seems we have to start re-arming. So - thanks for nothing, Russia. Perhaps look inwards and try to boost your GDP to that of, say, Italy?
Thanks to the Soviets, they cracked down and erased the war-like nature of Europe, who were at each others' throat for thousands of years. Now instead of massive battles, killing millions, there are just small, local issues. Will take that any day over the days before, when European bloody thirst countries swept the globe, eradicating everything in their path.
Most everyone in a former USSR republic over the age of 50 could be assigned the tag of "eagerly supported" depending if you like their politics or not. The only way to oppose was to be a rank and file member of society, or risk imprisonment, very few ended up weaving through and avoiding either in their opposition.
Actually, most were resigned or resentful, like most occupied people everywhere. Kinda like those in Nazi-occupied countries.
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What we are not suppose to talk about it seems is the Europe supported Nazis...
The Nazis has militarily occupied and subjugated most of Europe, and the ideology of course started in Europe - Germany, but you knew that. It's not as if occupied countries get much of a say in the occupier's foreign policy.
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who invaded, causing the Soviets to counter attack and occupy E. Europe.
And what do civilized countries do after the war is over? They stop the occupation. The US, France and the UK all stopped their occupation shortly after the shooting ended. West Germany became a freakin' model of a modern society.
The Soviets - now, they weren't about to leave. There were resources to extract and a chance to expand their one-party rule.
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I look at it as karma.
A bit glib to write off the brutal occupation of, what - 110 million or so? - people most of whom had never had a say in anything having to do with politics s "karme", but you do you. Does it make Trump's eager adoration of Putin look better?
If you pizz off the boss, the money flow dries up, and what is left of the trump pyramid scheme collapses. Imagine what the world has become when the Russian mob won't even lend you money in exchange for access to the US leadership?
That's a sad day for the dotard and his deplorable followers.
May Day is a specific day, not even called "May Victory".
Just give it up, bud. I typed "May Victory parade". The word "day" is the voices in your head.
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Not an apologist at all, but you seem to forget the fact if not for attacking the USSR, the USSR would not have been in the position to occupy.
"Not an apologist at all" is always followed by an apology. It's like "I'm not a racist" in that respect.
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Europe before the Soviet occupation, was at a state of war for almost the entirety of its civilized existence.
Occupation is an act of war.
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Thanks to the Soviets, they cracked down and erased the war-like nature of Europe, who were at each others' throat for thousands of years.
The Soviets had eff-all to do with that - if anything, they delayed the countries of Eastern Europe's chance to emerge as countries with a civilized form of government. The main countries who were at it were the UK, France, Germany - all of whom emerged as free countries in peaceful coexistence after WWII.
1956 was peaceful? 1968 was peaceful? The Soviets were not peacekeepers, they were invaders acting according to their own motives. And those were to extract as much as they could from their occupied lands and send it home to Mother Russia, and to expand their empire by any means. "To larceny, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a wasteland and call it peace."
Actually, most were resigned or resentful, like most occupied people everywhere. Kinda like those in Nazi-occupied countries.
Some were, many were filled with joy at the opportunity to take part in the rampage and loot. They were not exactly fighting to the last man against the Nazis, but were all willing to join them to the last man against the Soviets.
On the flip side, there were many more than willing and even over joyed to participate with the Soviets in establishing Communist governments. The Soviets would not have been successful if not for the support they received from the locals.
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
The Nazis has militarily occupied and subjugated most of Europe, and the ideology of course started in Europe - Germany, but you knew that. It's not as if occupied countries get much of a say in the occupier's foreign policy.
They basically laid down and let them on in, and were more than happy to join them an attacking the Soviets. They fought much harder against the Soviets than they did against the Nazis. Many groups were nothing more than Nazi factions.
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And what do civilized countries do after the war is over? They stop the occupation. The US, France and the UK all stopped their occupation shortly after the shooting ended. West Germany became a freakin' model of a modern society.
Russia tried the stopping the occupation after 1812, did not work, was attacked again. This time they were determined to put a stop to the invasions, and it worked.
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The Soviets - now, they weren't about to leave. There were resources to extract and a chance to expand their one-party rule.
A bit glib to write off the brutal occupation of, what - 110 million or so? - people most of whom had never had a say in anything having to do with politics s "karme", but you do you. Does it make Trump's eager adoration of Putin look better?
Why would they leave? Russia left after the 1812 war and it got them no where, other than more constant invasions, up to the worse one by the Nazis. This brutal occupation was much better than the constant wars that were occurring beforehand. Do you honestly forget or just not want to acknowledge the constant wars between European countries before? Brutality was the only language of "stop fighting" they seemed to be able to understand.
Just give it up, bud. I typed "May Victory parade". The word "day" is the voices in your head.
Here is the post I responded to;
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I should have stop reading your stupid partisan post after you refereed to Putin as Trump boss.
But...I don't think May Day (a celebration of the Russian revolution and communism) has any appeal since the USSR collapsed. What is there to celebrate?
It does not say "victory", it says "May Day".
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
"Not an apologist at all" is always followed by an apology. It's like "I'm not a racist" in that respect.
I did not apologize, show me where I did so.
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
Occupation is an act of war.
Lol, yet you think opposite when it comes to let's see, the US occupation of Syrian territory.
At that, so what, your perceived "act of war" due to occupation was far more peaceful at any time than the prior 2000 years.
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The Soviets had eff-all to do with that - if anything, they delayed the countries of Eastern Europe's chance to emerge as countries with a civilized form of government. The main countries who were at it were the UK, France, Germany - all of whom emerged as free countries in peaceful coexistence after WWII.
Lol, so, after constant wars for over 2000 years, Europe all of a sudden was going to be the most peaceful group of people? You really believe that? No, the Soviets keeping their asses in check is what caused them to be peaceful. You can even say the Americans keeping the other side's asses in check also contributed.
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
1956 was peaceful? 1968 was peaceful? The Soviets were not peacekeepers, they were invaders acting according to their own motives. And those were to extract as much as they could from their occupied lands and send it home to Mother Russia, and to expand their empire by any means. "To larceny, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a wasteland and call it peace."
Those events were very peaceful compared to the tens of millions killed in WW2, and the millions more killed over the centuries. A few thousand killed is nothing, compared to the millions saved by keeping Europe in check.
Funny how in every other post, you keep bringing up any and every thing Soviet and the misdeeds they did in the past, having to go back decades, but yet at every turn, you completely ignore and even justify Europe's violent past.
You quoted my post to respond to another? Are you feeling well?
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Lol, yet you think opposite when it comes to let's see, the US occupation of Syrian territory.
Try to stay on subject.
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At that, so what, your perceived "act of war" due to occupation was far more peaceful at any time than the prior 2000 years.
Yes, that's one thing totalitarianism is very good for. A wasteland is peaceful. Sending dissidents off to the gulag makes for a very orderly society.
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Lol, so, after constant wars for over 2000 years, Europe all of a sudden was going to be the most peaceful group of people?
Are you denying that the major warfaring powers in Europe dropped the once-per generation traditional slaughter?
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A few thousand killed is nothing...
You actually typed that, and yet you deny the label apologist. Amazing.
The Soviet Union was a tyrannical empire quite happy to see its neighbors underfoot, and the current Russian leadership wants those glory days back so badly. Problem is, even though blessed with land and natural resources the like of which are are rarely seen, the people seem a bit backward when it comes to actually making things and building things.
Apparently, Trump is considering going to Russia in May to stand beside his boss V. Putin during Russia’s May Day celebration. This is the parade where the Russians have tanks, missiles and soldiers goosestepping down the boulevard with the Russian political elite standing on the dias watching the procession.
Trump is going in the middle of our election where the Russians are making no secret that they plan on interfering in our election again. Why he is even considering is beyond me. No president has ever attended the May Day Parade.
Trump may or may not go. But is indicating he wants to go. But should he go?
Of course he should go. It's nice to have the blatant reminders of his susceptibility, his weakness for show and flattery, his adoration of everything authoritarian.
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