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Old 11-11-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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One thing that is unique is how many women made the shift in the 2018 elections and now women are leading with the impeachment.

Marie Yovanovich marched in there like she owned the place. Then she did.

Fiona Hill appears to be a non-nonsense woman.

Nancy Pelosi - ditto.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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In the end it won't matter. The impeachment vote following the Senate proceedings won't be based on facts. Instead, the proceedings will be a spin factory in which Republicans will focus entirely on polemics and red herrings. DT will retain his rather broad seat, albeit with an asterisk on his record.
Many if not most Senate Republicans detest Trump; they said so back in 2015 before he got the GOP nomination. They tolerate and defend him because they have to for political reasons. They excuse that by reciting the ridiculous theories put out by Trump but I doubt that many actually believe it.

Most of them have been very quiet these last few weeks when it comes to Trump; I think they are watching to see which way the wind blows in the House hearings. If they get any whiff that Trump is in trouble, they will all run for the exits. If Bolton and Mulvaney get the OK to testify from a judge, I think it will be bad for Trump and Republicans will abandon him. Bolton in particular has been very critical of Trump and is a no-nonsense person with a lot of credibility.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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It'll help his reelection chances, because no matter what comes out of these hearings, the last thing America will hear before November 2020 will be Trump's voice, and Trump always makes controversy work in his favor by attacking those who tried to take him down - including the women who accused him of sexual misconduct, remember that?

The more you attack Trump, the more he wins support.
Trump was never going to lose 2020, not with an economy like this, so Democrats threw a Hail Mary, hoping to somehow sway 2/3 of the Senate.
They thought at least some Republicans in the House would support the inquiry resolution, but not one did (and 2 Democrats also voted No), and that's an indication that it'll fail miserably in the Senate too.
So before you hear anything publicly your mind is made up?
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Trump's approval ratings have been stuck in the low 40's for the last year-and-a-half. There is no more support for him to gain. He is at his absolute ceiling. The roughly 55% who do not approve of him are dead set in their views, they will not vote for him no matter what he does.

There will be no impeachment backlash to help Trump. His approval numbers won't budge.
Yep if anything they'll fall a bit more.. Some of the mixed and indifferent people (there aren't many) Are not going to side with a guy like this. He tweeted over 80 times yesterday alone..
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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The open hearings will blow up in your face just as surely as Meuller did. It'll all fizzle out by Thanksgiving.
How many people actually watch these "open hearings" - especially the hearings that go on all day, sometimes for 2 days? I watch a fair number of them and they are boring-boring-boring for the most part - I would say that I'm in the minority. Transcripts later become available, but they are not necessarily easy to find and then their are 300-500+ pages to slog thru.

The majority of the Public doesn't watch this stuff, many have no idea who their CongressCritter even is.
Reporters are supposed to report what happens - but we are in an age where the Media is an arm of the Democrat Party and they won't go against their Party.

I tend to think that it's the Closed Hearings that "will blow" in the face of the Democrats. I'm already reading transcripts and so are a few other decent reporters ... Like Bryan York of the Examiner and my guess is real reporters like Matt Taibii of Rolling Stone is reading them also + the Real Clear Politics Investigative team - they will report the parts the Leftists and their Media leave out. Vindman is a big important witness for the Kanagroo Court, but he turned out to be a pretty poor witness when you have access to the entire Transcript. His entire testimony validates the Trump Phone Call testimony and only shows that HE and others like him on the National Security Counsel disagreed with Trump Policy.
Bad news for them is that a disagreement on the Policy of the President of the United States is not cause for Impeachment. It's the Job of the President to set the Policy - it's the Job of the employee of the Administration to implement the Policy, doesn't matter if they agree with it or not.

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status...54423041728514

Byron York (among others) is telling anyone interested what is really in the Transcripts of the Closed Hearings .... information that in the normal course of events, people would not be aware of.
Intersting Twitter Threads - I guess everyone knew that Adam Schiff has no problem with HIS witnesses having Lawyers present, he won't allow Lawyers for others.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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"...so the Democrats see no need for the whistleblower, who heard the story secondhand, to testify."


Lol. wut?

The whistleblower heard the story secondhand? Um...really?

Your honor, isn't that called 'hearsay' and inadmissible as evidence?

It's got to be a joke.


This your first day following this story?

We've known since the beginning that the whistleblower wasn't reporting 1st-hand information.

This isn't a court of law. For the umpteenth time...
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:24 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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How many people actually watch these "open hearings" - especially the hearings that go on all day, sometimes for 2 days? I watch a fair number of them and they are boring-boring-boring for the most part - I would say that I'm in the minority. Transcripts later become available, but they are not necessarily easy to find and then their are 300-500+ pages to slog thru.

The majority of the Public doesn't watch this stuff, many have no idea who their CongressCritter even is.
Reporters are supposed to report what happens - but we are in an age where the Media is an arm of the Democrat Party and they won't go against their Party.

I tend to think that it's the Closed Hearings that "will blow" in the face of the Democrats. I'm already reading transcripts and so are a few other decent reporters ... Like Bryan York of the Examiner and my guess is real reporters like Matt Taibii of Rolling Stone is reading them also + the Real Clear Politics Investigative team - they will report the parts the Leftists and their Media leave out. Vindman is a big important witness for the Kanagroo Court, but he turned out to be a pretty poor witness when you have access to the entire Transcript. His entire testimony validates the Trump Phone Call testimony and only shows that HE and others like him on the National Security Counsel disagreed with Trump Policy.
Bad news for them is that a disagreement on the Policy of the President of the United States is not cause for Impeachment. It's the Job of the President to set the Policy - it's the Job of the employee of the Administration to implement the Policy, doesn't matter if they agree with it or not.

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status...54423041728514

Byron York (among others) is telling anyone interested what is really in the Transcripts of the Closed Hearings .... information that in the normal course of events, people would not be aware of.
Intersting Twitter Threads - I guess everyone knew that Adam Schiff has no problem with HIS witnesses having Lawyers present, he won't allow Lawyers for others.
I don't know anyone who is claiming the White House is "hiding" an exact transcript. I question, as do many others, what was left out of the version that the White House released, though.

They stopped recording phone calls back after Nixon, I believe.

None of this should be surprising to anyone who has bothered to research things for 5 mins.

https://apnews.com/8f96294c8bc44ad485d74a7a0b0a0e00


Someone should explain that reality to the President, though:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hone-call.html

'This is an exact word-for-word transcript of the conversation, taken by very talented stenographers,' Trump said.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The whistleblower statement is just the preamble to this long and ugly account of Trump's underhanded and illegal efforts to extort corrupt behavior from a foreign country for political gain and then hide the whole mess he created. The fact that he admits that he did it should be sufficient evidence for impeachment. That he claims he was doing this as a way to have Ukraine fight against corruption is a sick joke. Many people in his administration, some who were direct witnesses, have sworn that Trump did the deed. Try to keep up...this has gone far beyond the whistleblower's involvement.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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No aid was withheld, no investigation into Biden took place....where's the crime?
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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No aid was withheld, no investigation into Biden took place....where's the crime?
Aid was only given when a bipartisan group forced Trump to release it.
https://www.defensenews.com/congress...-fight-russia/

His crime is extortion and campaign finance violation, and the biggie is corruption and failure to keep his oath of office.
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