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Old 11-11-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I disagree and here's why. What would happen to the parent's of these DACAs if they are allowed to remain here? Shouldn't the parents be deported as they are the ones who broke the law? If not, then that would be amnesty for millions of illegal aliens and rewarding their parents for bringing their kids here illegally. If the parents are deported as our laws state that would mean a separation of families, wouldn't it? Why would the DACAs want to remain here while their parents are deported? I thought their culture was all about family values.

All of the above is why I oppose DACA and why the whole family should be deported together. It's the only fair thing to do. Legalizing millions of illegal aliens (the DACAs and their parents) would negate our sane annual quotas for legal immigration and isn't fair to immigrants who came here the right way. Thoughts?
Most of the DACA are legally adults. But we should definitely deport the parents, with no chance of ever becoming legal.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't know that I need to see them deported, as long as they are a strong bargaining chip in the negotiation over border security.

Odd that you need a bargaining chip to convince congress to provide better border security, but that seems to be where we are in this day and age.
The Supreme Court does not bargain. They make rulings, but in this case no one seems to know why this requires a SC ruling.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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Most of the DACA are legally adults. But we should definitely deport the parents, with no chance of ever becoming legal.
But as I asked, why would the DACAs want to remain here and be separated from their parents instead of staying united as a family in their own homelands?
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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I don't know that I need to see them deported, as long as they are a strong bargaining chip in the negotiation over border security.

Odd that you need a bargaining chip to convince congress to provide better border security, but that seems to be where we are in this day and age.
That deal was already offered by Trump and the Democrats declined it. I stand by what I have said. It's not right to have these DACAs benefit from their parent's law breaking. We don't need the competition for jobs and resources from them and it negates our annual quotas for legal immigration.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:52 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The Supreme Court does not bargain. They make rulings, but in this case no one seems to know why this requires a SC ruling.
Um, yes I know that.

...Really? LOL.

I wasn’t talking about the Supreme Court.

When they rule DACA unconstitutional, the DACA people can be used as a bargaining chip in congress. Now, they are technically legal, so they are worthless as a bargaining chip. Once they are made illegal again, congress can come up with an alternative to keep them here, in exchange for more border security.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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But as I asked, why would the DACAs want to remain here and be separated from their parents instead of staying united as a family in their own homelands?
If I was an adult, I would choose to stay, if I could be made legal. Who wouldn’t? You can always go visit your parents in Mexico.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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If I was an adult, I would choose to stay, if I could be made legal. Who wouldn’t? You can always go visit your parents in Mexico.
Just doesn't seem right to me to allow these DACAS whether they be adults or not to benefit from their parent's law breaking. The whole family should be returned to their own homelands. It's the only fair thing to do.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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Um, yes I know that.

...Really? LOL.

I wasn’t talking about the Supreme Court.

When they rule DACA unconstitutional, the DACA people can be used as a bargaining chip in congress. Now, they are technically legal, so they are worthless as a bargaining chip. Once they are made illegal again, congress can come up with an alternative to keep them here, in exchange for more border security.
They aren't technically legal they've only been given a stay of deportation. I agree with you on your prior post why should our border security be used as a bargaining tool to allow illegal aliens to remain here?
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:02 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Just doesn't seem right to me to allow these DACAS whether they be adults or not to benefit from their parent's law breaking. The whole family should be returned to their own homelands. It's the only fair thing to do.
I do agree with your point, ethically. But pragmatically, the democrats seem to really, really want them here. If they can be used to make real and lasting change to our open border policies of the past, it would be worth it to let them stay. Not the parents though. That is where I would draw the line.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But as I asked, why would the DACAs want to remain here and be separated from their parents instead of staying united as a family in their own homelands?
Maybe because most of them are now adults, and don't live with parents anymore.

You still live with your parents?
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