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Old 11-14-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You are correct, you just don't get it. A president cannot use his office for anything that relates to his campaign. Using tax paid congressional appropriated funding intended for our national security to coerce a recipient country's president to make a public announcement that trump's opponents son is under investigation (which he was not), is doing just that.
The president of Ukraine has said in multiple interviews that he was not coerced, there was no quid pro quo, there were no conditions tied to the aid.

This is nothing but your faux Trump-Russian collusion 2.0. Your TDS has convinced you that up is down, and black is white, and no amount of fact based evidence will sway you.

We have the evidence of the transcript, we have the evidence of President Zelensky's own word, we do not need hearsay witnesses, nor do we need people with corrupted memories claiming they heard the exact opposite.

 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Irrelevant to the impeachment hearing and this discussion.
Neither were the history lessons, during opening statements.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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what's wrong to investigate a democrat? It is his duty to investigate and show the corrupt democrats. also, The democrats spent millions of tax payer money to investigate their political opponent Trump. how abuse of power is that?
Article II(4) of the Constitution.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: az
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If this group with CNN likely carefully picked were were unconvinced. The Democrats are in trouble.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...lot_worse.html
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Is there a timeline for this show to end and the House votes and sends it to the Senate.


I don't want that idiot Schiff to waste another $30M on this stupid antic when democrats can choose well, campaign well and take the WH in a year.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The president of Ukraine has said in multiple interviews that he was not coerced, there was no quid pro quo, there were no conditions tied to the aid.

This is nothing but your faux Trump-Russian collusion 2.0. Your TDS has convinced you that up is down, and black is white, and no amount of fact based evidence will sway you.

We have the evidence of the transcript, we have the evidence of President Zelensky's own word, we do not need hearsay witnesses, nor do we need people with corrupted memories claiming they heard the exact opposite.
FYI, "Interviews" are not under oath.

Let trump testify under oath just as president Clinton did.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Article II(4) of the Constitution.
Does that apply to Democrats, or only Republicans?
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Neither were the history lessons, during opening statements.
The history of our constitution is not considered relevant to you?
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Does that apply to Democrats, or only Republicans?
Ah....if you actually read article II of the constitution (it isn't too long), you would find that it relates only to the "president" of the US be it a republican or democrat.

BTW, I am surprised your conservative sources have not educated you about this part of the constitution.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 08:55 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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FYI, "Interviews" are not under oath.

Let trump testify under oath just as president Clinton did.
When it gets to the senate, that gets to happen. But it sounds like Trump wants his attorney present here.
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