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Old 11-13-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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LOL...Castor's questions are confusing and intentionally so. He wants to trip up Amb. Taylor.
I'm just saying, if that's the goal, it's playing out well. Taylor sounds lost at times.

 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Well, he's definitely going to try and trip up any opposing witness. That's his basic job.



The biggest joke of all is that Republicans expect us to believe that Trump cares about corruption.

He doesn't care about Saudi corruption. Or corruption in Turkey.

Only the Ukraine and ONLY if it pertains to Biden or Clinton.

Yeah.
So corruption as it relates to US politicians and Ukraine?
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Listened to Taylor’s exhaustingly long testimony. He seems like a decent man that cares about Ukraine. He complimented the Trump administration policy to send lethal arms to Ukraine, something Obama didn’t do, and enact harsher sanctions on Russia. He seemed mad that Trump wasn’t following standard protocol with regards to Ukraine (of course he wasn’t it’s Trump) and had a channel of communication going around him. He admits corruption is bad in Ukraine and has been a problem there for a while, and that Trump was holding up the money to investigate Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election (probably part of Barr’s investigation) and Burisma (the gas company with corruption and democrat stink all over it).

Ukraine became aware the money was being withheld on august 29th and was ultimately released Sept. 11th. Had the money been withheld past Sept 30th the funds would expire, they did not expire and Ukraine received the aid. This whole situation feels like a small incident being blown out of proportion in Washington, I know the left is dug in and will disagree but I don’t see this as impeachable. The money was paid (although a couple weeks late) and nobody was harmed.
Of course it's not impeachable. If it was, they would have had the actual eyewitness to the call on the stand. This entire hearing is based on literal hearsay. This is/was nothing but a manufactured charade by Democrats in collusion with media conglomerates to influence the public ahead of the 2020 elections. They have no evidence to prosecute but the agenda is to perceive the public that an impeachable offense was committed. When this falls apart, they'll move the goal post to something else.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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As was pointed out earlier in the opening statements, there are government entities tasked with investigating corruption in other nations.

They were not involved in this endeavor.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 View Post
Well, he's definitely going to try and trip up any opposing witness. That's his basic job.



The biggest joke of all is that Republicans expect us to believe that Trump cares about corruption.

He doesn't care about Saudi corruption. Or corruption in Turkey.

Only the Ukraine and ONLY if it pertains to Biden or Clinton.

Yeah.
And let's be real about Trump's way of dealing with areas he perceives as problems.

If Trump was truly concerned about the Ukraine, Biden, etc. and election meddling and national security...there is no way he would not publicly address until the whistle blower account. PUBLICLY is an important word.

I get behind the scenes he and Guiliani were trying to cook up doubt with Biden with the Ukraine and trying to push forward some of the conspiracy theories (that have been debunked, not an ounce of iota of reality in them).
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Nowhere
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You nailed it.
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Of course it's not impeachable. If it was, they would have had the actual eyewitness to the call on the stand. This entire hearing is based on literal hearsay. This is/was nothing but a manufactured charade by Democrats in collusion with media conglomerates to influence the public ahead of the 2020 elections. They have no evidence to prosecute but the agenda is to perceive the public that an impeachable offense was committed. When this falls apart, they'll move the goal post to something else.
If you think about it, this all could just be a big charade to get Trump re-elected. Schiff might actually want Trump re-elected, as Trump is more pro-Israeli than any President in recent memory.



This is all probably just a sideshow to get Trump re-elected.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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What idiotic questions about Hunter Biden, but I guess it is all Trump's thin defense for his extortion of the Ukraine has.
Totally. These diplomats have no way of knowing anything about Hunter Biden's background. And does anyone else find it pathetic how they keep acting like it's so suspicious the unqualified Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of Burisma? The Republican hypocrisy is so stunning I don't know how they can sleep at night. "Why did Biden appoint the unqualified Hunter to the board?" Oh, I don't know. Have they ever heard of Ivanka Trump or Jared Kushner? And then they keep insisting the whistleblower testify but conveniently "forget" the fact that several WH staff have ignored House subpoenas repeatedly.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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I'm just saying, if that's the goal, it's playing out well. Taylor sounds lost at times.

Well, admittedly that is Castor's job.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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Not a couple of weeks, more like many months. A lot of Ukrainians died during that time due to the lack of promised aid.

And what guarantee do we have that Trump would not have allowed the funds to expire if Ukraine didn't agree to do his dirty work for him? None whatsoever.
And where is your proof that Ukrainians died as a result of a lack of aid? According to the LA Times & Newsweek, there was no verifiable link between their deaths and lack of aid. In fact, they all quote they died in the line of fire.

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At least 13 Ukrainian soldiers were killed while President Donald Trump's administration was withholding military aid from the country from mid-July to mid-September.

The men, aged from 20 to 45, are among at least 78 Ukrainian soldiers killed in action up to mid-September this year in the east of the country, according to various local media and Ukrainian government reports.


Thirteen Ukrainian Soldiers Died During Trump-Ordered Freeze On Military Aid

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Although there is no way to link Markiv’s or the dozens of other deaths directly to the lack of aid, military officials and other Ukrainians say they felt exposed, vulnerable and, at least temporarily, abandoned by their foremost ally: Washington.

Trump froze military aid — as Ukrainian soldiers perished in battle
Just what you can expect. A play on words from the fake news for the illiterate has been picked up and spread around the internet linking Trump as a responsible party for something he had nothing to do with.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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So now Adam Schiff lies through his teeth and says he doesn't know this whistle blower. Also says that person doesn't matter. Really. It's the only thing the Dems have in order to move forward with this sham of a proceeding, or maybe coup is a better word.

Schiff only wants things his way because he knows in a fair proceeding he'll get blown out of the water. His only play is to stack the deck. If there is no crime, invent one.

Anyone with any sense can see right through this liar and what he really is.
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