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Old 11-13-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
This is what the inquiry is about.

Crimes did happen under his watch. Is he responsible for the conduct of his Justice Department, State Department and white house staff or not?

Trump literally handed us the evidence of wrongdoing. He owns it.
If trump committed a crime of personal corruption, its far lesser than the daily political consensus that runs American foriegn policy.

People like Bolton and Schiff will always be the rot in our society; stand up 'patriots' who want to keep power in the hands of big money capital and convince average Americans imperialism is in their 'interests' without telling them what that is.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Do you even realize how you sound?

This is what you are saying.

Trump should not be interested in being re-elected.
Trump should not do what he believes is in the best interest of the country.
He can't use his position to advance his own interests.

You are losing your mind. This is not a personal attack, but what you are saying is totally unrealistic.

It is not corruption to act in accordance with your own beliefs and interests. Give me a break...
That isn't what I'm saying.

This is what I am saying:

Trump is interested in being re-elected. Trump used the power and authority of his office to forward his personal interests in being re-elected. That is not what the power and authority of that office should be used for. Using it in this manner is corruption.

Congress has oversight powers of the other branches of government for a reason. Making sure that the other branches do not behave corruptly would be an integral part of that reason. The investigation is reasonable.

Trump believes the phone call was "perfect". He is mistaken. He doesn't seem to be able to grasp the moral and ethical requirements of his office.

I am not losing my mind. This is an extremely rational perspective. If you can't understand that, it may be you who needs to consult a psychiatrist.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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If trump committed a crime of personal corruption, its far lesser than the daily political consensus that runs American foriegn policy.

People like Bolton and Schiff will always be the rot in our society; stand up 'patriots' who want to keep power in the hands of big money capital and convince average Americans imperialism is in their 'interests' without telling them what that is.
President Trump very much wants to keep power in the hands of big money capital. It's a consistent part of his policies. Just look at the people he has appointed to positions of power. Big money capitalists. Again and again and again and again.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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President Trump very much wants to keep power in the hands of big money capital. It's a consistent part of his policies. Just look at the people he has appointed to positions of power. Big money capitalists. Again and again and again and again.
Yeah those people are the ones Schiff and Bolton like, the people that keep the status quo.

But whenever trump gets selfish and wants to curry favors with Turkey, he impedes imperial policy which makes the general wealth fund (capital holders) unhappy.

Trump is small fish compared to the power Washington/Wall Street uphold.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Yeah those people are the ones Schiff and Bolton like, the people that keep the status quo.

But whenever trump gets selfish and wants to curry favors with Turkey, he impedes imperial policy which makes the general wealth fund (capital holders) unhappy.

Trump is small fish compared to the power Washington/Wall Street uphold.
The POTUS has tremendous power to destabilize the international order and he is taking full advantage of it.

Regardless of what foreign policy doctrine you subscribe to, foreign policy decisions should not be made based on the POTUS's business interests, which was clearly the case here with Turkey, or his personal political interests, which was the case with Ukraine.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Yeah those people are the ones Schiff and Bolton like, the people that keep the status quo.

But whenever trump gets selfish and wants to curry favors with Turkey, he impedes imperial policy which makes the general wealth fund (capital holders) unhappy.

Trump is small fish compared to the power Washington/Wall Street uphold.
If what you believe were true, then Trump's cabinet wouldn't be made up of big money capitalists. He picks his cabinet. And the people he picks are more often than not, big money capitalists.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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This is what the inquiry is about.

Crimes did happen under his watch. Is he responsible for the conduct of his Justice Department, State Department and white house staff or not?
You're saying Trump is responsible for crimes committed by members of the executive branch in their efforts to sabotage his campaign and Presidency and remove him from office? I'm not aware of any other allegations of wrongdoing by those entities.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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That isn't what I'm saying.

This is what I am saying:

Trump is interested in being re-elected. Trump used the power and authority of his office to forward his personal interests in being re-elected. That is not what the power and authority of that office should be used for. Using it in this manner is corruption.
And every first-term President does that. Usually, like Trump, they think that what they're doing is good for the country and that doing good things for the country will help them get re-elected. It's SOP.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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The POTUS has tremendous power to destabilize the international order and he is taking full advantage of it.

Regardless of what foreign policy doctrine you subscribe to, foreign policy decisions should not be made based on the POTUS's business interests, which was clearly the case here with Turkey . . . .
LOL!!!!!!

Clearly!!!!!

And Paul really *IS* dead!!!!
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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And every first-term President does that. Usually, like Trump, they think that what they're doing is good for the country and that doing good things for the country will help them get re-elected. It's SOP.
Every first-term President calls on foreign leaders to help him smear his political rivals and thereby win re-election? In what world?
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