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Old 11-13-2019, 04:33 PM
 
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Yeah, some of us wonder what happened during Stephen Miller's childhood to make him such a xenophobe.
It's human nature (and chimp nature and wolf nature etc.) to oppose the invasion of one's territory. Nothing could be more normal or healthy. It's amazing that this needs to be explained.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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And there is also a phenomena called “self-hatred” where people of a “special” group hate themselves for that facet of their identity
They may take actions that supposedly distance themselves from it or refuse to acknowledge it openly or even to themselves...
That's true as well.
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Old 11-13-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Yeah, some of us wonder what happened during Stephen Miller's childhood to make him such a xenophobe.
Well, Miller was a pretty loud racist when he was in high school - rebelling against the largely liberal leaning community in Santa Monica. Even told a classmate they couldn't be friends because he was Latino. I think he lives to provoke and troll others. But for whatever reason, Miller has some pretty retrograde views about race and ethnicity today.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Exerpt from David Glosser's piece on his nephew, Stephen Miller:

I have watched with dismay and increasing horror as my nephew, an educated man who is well aware of his heritage, has become the architect of immigration policies that repudiate the very foundation of our family’s life in this country.

I shudder at the thought of what would have become of the Glossers had the same policies Stephen so coolly espouses— the travel ban, the radical decrease in refugees, the separation of children from their parents, and even talk of limiting citizenship for legal immigrants — been in effect when Wolf-Leib made his desperate bid for freedom. The Glossers came to the U.S. just a few years before the fear and prejudice of the “America first” nativists of the day closed U.S. borders to Jewish refugees. Had Wolf-Leib waited, his family likely would have been murdered by the Nazis along with all but seven of the 2,000 Jews who remained in Antopol. I would encourage Stephen to ask himself if the chanting, torch-bearing Nazis of Charlottesville, whose support his boss seems to court so cavalierly, do not envision a similar fate for him.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...s-uncle-219351
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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Exerpt from David Glosser's piece on his nephew, Stephen Miller:

I have watched with dismay and increasing horror as my nephew, an educated man who is well aware of his heritage, has become the architect of immigration policies that repudiate the very foundation of our family’s life in this country.

I shudder at the thought of what would have become of the Glossers had the same policies Stephen so coolly espouses— the travel ban, the radical decrease in refugees, the separation of children from their parents, and even talk of limiting citizenship for legal immigrants — been in effect when Wolf-Leib made his desperate bid for freedom. The Glossers came to the U.S. just a few years before the fear and prejudice of the “America first” nativists of the day closed U.S. borders to Jewish refugees. Had Wolf-Leib waited, his family likely would have been murdered by the Nazis along with all but seven of the 2,000 Jews who remained in Antopol. I would encourage Stephen to ask himself if the chanting, torch-bearing Nazis of Charlottesville, whose support his boss seems to court so cavalierly, do not envision a similar fate for him.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...s-uncle-219351
That's just bunk and invalid. America doesn't and no countries for that matter have to have open borders because Nazi Germany 74 years ago. The world is a different place today. Why doesn't he advocate Israel have open borders then for everyone?

How many ways are leftist going to compare America to the historical Nazi German if we don't have open borders? That's just offensive garbage.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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That’s just about the weakest false-equivalency I’ve yet to see on these forums, congrats.

Despite what alt-right, white-nationalists, attempt to pass off as truth, there were most definitely Americans that espoused ideals founded in Nazism. To say otherwise would be to lie.


Coolidge was one of those.

What’s the matter, don’t want anyone badmouthing Nazis? Why is that?
So now Calvin Coolidge was a Nazi? Gonna go after Barbara Jordan next?
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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Listen, bud, do you want to debate Miller’s policies specifically, as a deflection, or debate the actual subject of the thread? . Furthermore, why did you ignore Miller’s pushing of “the camp of saints” book?

White-Nationalist Policies / Statements:

-Muslim-Ban
-Border: Family-separation policy
-“would be happy if not a single refugee foot ever again touched America’s soil.” https://www.businessinsider.com/step...e-to-us-2019-1
-“Excerpted emails shared with The Post show Miller drawing on stories from outlets such as the anti-immigration white-nationalist site VDARE and the conspiracy theory website Infowars and sending them to McHugh. Miller appears to urge McHugh to write about the stories and discusses how to frame them and push them to prominence on Breitbart’s site.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e-nationalism/







Never said Hitler wasn’t a fan of the eugenics movement.

Can you prove that Miller didn’t send those emails?
So basically everything you disagree with is Nahtzees.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:47 PM
 
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He was working for Jeff Sessions before Trump stole him away
Fits right in with Sessions pre-Civil War attitudes
Probably Miller’s mother is the only one surprised about his racisiasm and alt-right support
There have been enough pictures of him flashing signs before the news caught on and called him out...

So much of Trump’s hateful policies are crafted by Miller...
Reminds me of Reinhard Haydrich...
Who the heck is Reinhard Haydrich?
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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That's just bunk and invalid. America doesn't and no countries for that matter have to have open borders because Nazi Germany 74 years ago. The world is a different place today. Why doesn't he advocate Israel have open borders then for everyone?

How many ways are leftist going to compare America to the historical Nazi German if we don't have open borders? That's just offensive garbage.
Just stop with the intellectual dishonesty already.

Advocating for a more humane immigration policy and one that isn't steeped in xenophobia and fearmongering does not equate to "open borders". In fact, open borders as always conflated into political rhetoric is just bovine manure.

The irony is lost on you, who incessantly whines about strawman attacks, is doing just that with your rhetorical screeds about open borders and Nazis. First one to invoke Godwin's Law is losing the argument.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Japan
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New York (CNN)Stephen Miller, the controversial senior White House policy adviser who holds hardline views on immigration, promoted stories from white nationalist and fringe media organizations to staffers of the far-right website Breitbart, a trove of leaked 2015 emails published Tuesday revealed.
The emails were published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit organization that monitors hate groups. Miller sent the emails before he had ascended to the White House, but while he was working as a senior aide for then-Sen. Jeff Sessions.
One of the emails, published by the SPLC and later obtained by CNN, showed Miller sent a Breitbart staffer a link to VDARE, a prominent white nationalist website.
Noooo! Not VDare!

As if, of the two, the SPLC is the more reputable organization.
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