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Moderator cut: trolling/flamingI'd be fine with deporting those who commit serious crimes, particularly felonies. The rest should be on a case-by-case basis. Any that stay would not be free of consequences, though. They should face fines, perhaps perform community service, go to the end of the line in the naturalization process, etc. And I would advocate setting up national jobs training programs for the unskilled- that natives can also take part in- that would reduce any impact on industry wages. Most just want better lives, and if they have stayed out of trouble while in the country, I see no reason why they can't become productive citizens. I don't know what circumstances they came from, so I am not going to stand in judgement of them, and I don't feel any strong urge to see their lives destroyed as if they've personally offended me or America.
Moderator cut: trolling/flamingI'd be fine with deporting those who commit serious crimes, particularly felonies. The rest should be on a case-by-case basis. Any that stay would not be free of consequences, though. They should face fines, perhaps perform community service, go to the end of the line in the naturalization process, etc. And I would advocate setting up national jobs training programs for the unskilled- that natives can also take part in- that would reduce any impact on industry wages. Most just want better lives, and if they have stayed out of trouble while in the country, I see no reason why they can't become productive citizens. I don't know what circumstances they came from, so I am not going to stand in judgement of them, and I don't feel any strong urge to see their lives destroyed as if they've personally offended me or America.
Sounds like you don’t respect immigration laws. That’s the problem with illegal aliens and their supporters. If you have a problem with any existing laws, do what it takes to have them changed.
You should respect laws of all nations. That includes immigration laws. We need to properly secure our borders, heavily fine those that hire illegals, deport every one of these law breaking disrespectful illegal alien trespassers, and ignore their inane supporters, ASAP.
We must also arrest and prosecute every politician and law enforcement that doesn’t abide by existing immigration laws and hold them solely responsible for any violent crimes committed by an illegal alien. And I’ll include those that harbor illegal aliens. They need to be locked up and fined.
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Well you cant have unfettered immigration and socialism. The immigration cant/wont be stopped and neither can the socialism. Lets get some marshmallows and watch it all burn down.
Well you cant unfettered immigration and socialism. The immigration cant/wont be stopped and neither can the socialism. Lets get some marshmallows and watch it all burn down.
Human trafficking and kidnapping to support the State and its subsidiaries, corporations, is something both Red and Blue agree on...ergo my "Team Red = Team Blue" status.
Sounds like you don’t respect immigration laws. That’s the problem with illegal aliens and their supporters. If you have a problem with any existing laws, do what it takes to have them changed.
You should respect laws of all nations. That includes immigration laws. We need to properly secure our borders, heavily fine those that hire illegals, deport every one of these law breaking disrespectful illegal alien trespassers, and ignore their inane supporters, ASAP.
We must also arrest and prosecute every politician and law enforcement that doesn’t abide by existing immigration laws and hold them solely responsible for any violent crimes committed by an illegal alien.
I respect immigration laws that work, are based on real life conditions, are not cruel, are fair and applied evenly. Again, most of these people have no actual legal path to citizenship, through no fault of their own, based on the current system. You may think that's fine, I don't. I welcome those who want to be productive Americans. I don't hate these people. I don't judge them because they had to make difficult choices that I haven't had to. I believe there is a place in this world for empathy and rational thought, and having both applied to the topic of immigration.
Conservatives are dumb as rocks because they don't want another failed amnesty and thus putting millions of illegal aliens on a path to citizenship whom overwhelmingly will vote Democrat? Huh?
The last amnesty program was toothless accommodation, not a comprehensive law. It was concerned with using employers to discourage illegal entry, and did not change any fundamentals about who we let in, how we let them in, what requirements there are to be for entry, etc. So there is no comparison. I am talking about a tough law that enforces physical border security, mandates English proficiency, mandates minimum wealth for entry, mandates a non-welfare agreement for 15 years, and selects immigrants based on quality and qualifications. In return, I’d grant a widespread amnesty. And getting political support would be easier, as we could pit those already here against others who want open borders. Cynical? Absolutely.
I am not interested in punishing everyone or rounding up people. We can’t control the past, or our own feckless conduct in allowing the invasion for decades. But we can control the future. And by giving in on amnesty, we can secure a future where people who immigrate here speak English, are independent, and will not add a tax burden to our already grievously overtaxed existence.
If we don’t compromise, then we lose. Millennials favor open immigration, and they are already taking over the reins of power. There isn’t much time left. Trump is done and will lose in a landslide next year. After that, there is no chance at a tough law, and it will basically be game, set, and match for those who favor open borders and the destruction of our society.
The last amnesty program was toothless accommodation, not a comprehensive law. It was concerned with using employers to discourage illegal entry, and did not change any fundamentals about who we let in, how we let them in, what requirements there are to be for entry, etc. So there is no comparison. I am talking about a tough law that enforces physical border security, mandates English proficiency, mandates minimum wealth for entry, mandates a non-welfare agreement for 15 years, and selects immigrants based on quality and qualifications. In return, I’d grant a widespread amnesty. And getting political support would be easier, as we could pit those already here against others who want open borders. Cynical? Absolutely.
I am not interested in punishing everyone or rounding up people. We can’t control the past, or our own feckless conduct in allowing the invasion for decades. But we can control the future. And by giving in on amnesty, we can secure a future where people who immigrate here speak English, are independent, and will not add a tax burden to our already grievously overtaxed existence.
If we don’t compromise, then we lose. Millennials favor open immigration, and they are already taking over the reins of power. There isn’t much time left. Trump is done and will lose in a landslide next year. After that, there is no chance at a tough law, and it will basically be game, set, and match for those who favor open borders and the destruction of our society.
Compromise, or die.
Amnesty just encourages more to come here. It makes no sense to reward law breaking. How many are guilty of using fake or stolen SS numbers to work or worked for cash evading taxes? Are you suggesting that we reward felons?
Law breakers should be punished not rewarded! If you don't want to punish them with deportation as our laws state then how about not punishing any American law breakers either. How do Americans get those jobs back if illegal aliens are allowed to remain here? How do we alleviate the over crowded conditions that they and their kids have contributed to? How about the continued depletion of our natural and social resources? Amnesty would negate our sane annual quotas for legal immigration into our country also. Our legal immigration policies are already based on our needs and that immigrants will be self-supporting so what are you talking about? They come illegally anyway because they don't make the cut and would continue to do so after another amnesty.
So we should cave into people who want open borders? Why? With this president it is our last hope to get this mess under control and you're wrong, he will win in a landslide.
Compromise on illegal immigration or we will die? WTH does that even mean? If we compromise on this THAT will be the death of our country. You've got it azz backwards.
Moderator cut: trolling/flamingI'd be fine with deporting those who commit serious crimes, particularly felonies. The rest should be on a case-by-case basis. Any that stay would not be free of consequences, though. They should face fines, perhaps perform community service, go to the end of the line in the naturalization process, etc. And I would advocate setting up national jobs training programs for the unskilled- that natives can also take part in- that would reduce any impact on industry wages. Most just want better lives, and if they have stayed out of trouble while in the country, I see no reason why they can't become productive citizens. I don't know what circumstances they came from, so I am not going to stand in judgement of them, and I don't feel any strong urge to see their lives destroyed as if they've personally offended me or America.
You're saying that taxpayers should fund a national jobs training program for unskilled, illegal aliens? (I did notice you generously allowed that Americans could also partake.) The problem with that is that you are not only rewarding illegal aliens for breaking our immigration laws, but you would be actively training them to compete with honest, and needy, Americans.
True. You don't know their circumstances, although it is apparent that most are uneducated, unskilled, and poor. That's why they should apply for LEGAL entry through regular channels. This bogus asylum approach is overwhelming the system.
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