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Remember when there were Hobo's. A few older men down by they river or the train tracks. Now every city is over run with men, women, children and families. They don't call them Hobo's anymore. There are signs everywhere that punch gaping holes in economic policies like; rising tide lifts all ships, lowering taxes on the rich translates into job creating, and trickle down theory. It seems to easy to convince people that giving more money to the rich and not the poor is better. We have almost vilified the poor by blaming them for their circumstances.
I'm posting explanations for why people are in these situations which may or may not have anything to do with them being at fault not making exuses for why people do not have to take responsibility.
The bottom line is they do not take responsibility for themselves.
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I never mentioned that once and you brought it up as a strawman. You are the one giving a one dimensional view as if everyone is directly at fault for being in such circumstances because they are not spending their money correctly and then saying that if someone helps then they are allowing them to be irresponsible. But even if they are responsible it is not mutually exclusive if you help people in these circumstances that they are not taking responsibility. Many people take responsibility for not making right choices but that does not mean that if we decide to help them better themselves that we are catering to them not taking responsibility. And this is particularly true given circumstances where not helping them would worsen their condition and make them more of burden to the whole of society. That is what I have said - just because you are not intelligent, wise, or compassionate enough to tease out the nuances of life is not my problem! But you can strawman all you want it won't make you look any more intelligent with your asinine simplistic view.
Seriously? As a result of all that "helping" we have generational poverty. Half of all US births every year are paid for by Medicaid (the public assistance health care program for the poor), and 70% of those born poor never rise above the bottom 20% income level (maximum income $25,000) their entire lives.
Remember when there were Hobo's. A few older men down by they river or the train tracks. Now every city is over run with men, women, children and families. They don't call them Hobo's anymore. There are signs everywhere that punch gaping holes in economic policies like; rising tide lifts all ships, lowering taxes on the rich translates into job creating, and trickle down theory. It seems to easy to convince people that giving more money to the rich and not the poor is better. We have almost vilified the poor by blaming them for their circumstances.
Anytime anyone buys a service/product from... oh, let's say... Apple (iPhones, iPads, Mac products) or Google (including Android products and spinoff services) they're VOLUNTARILY making the rich even richer. Don't like that? Don't buy their products and services. Donate the money you would have spent, instead, to all the homeless that are, as you put it, overrunning our cities.
FYI...
Apple's current profit margin is 21.37%
Google's is 17.45%
The bottom line is they do not take responsibility for themselves.
How many times are you going to repeat this?
No one argues there aren't people who are irresponsible, but why can't you comprehend there are people who struggle who are not irresponsible. There are people who work two jobs and still struggle to pay for basic things. MOST Americans struggle, and it is ignorant to assume its all because of one and same reason.
So many reasons and scenarios have been discussed on this thread, and the best you can do it parrot the same line over and over? We GET IT that you don't have anything else to say, but enough with the parroting.
Socialism? How do you figure? It has absolutely nothing to do with socialism.
Do you even know what socialism is?
Socialism = Government owned and operated means of production.
The point is simple: Most Americans struggle financially, and you can call people stupid all day long, but are most Americans really that stupid, or are the other reasons? We had a poster from Oklahoma saying people there who finance EVERYTHING including boats and RVs, and that is stupid indeed, but it is not what most Americans do. Most Americans do not buy boats and RVs.
Healthcare is an industry that the gobbermint was trying to take over eliminating private insurance so they would be the only game in town ... how is medicare,medicaid or the VA working out?
Going down the toilet just like social security.
No one argues there aren't people who are irresponsible, but why can't you comprehend there are people who struggle who are not irresponsible.
Like I said... Half of all US births every year are paid for by Medicaid (the public assistance health care program for the poor), and 70% of those born poor never rise above the bottom 20% income level (maximum income $25,000) their entire lives. How is any of that "being responsible" among the poor?
The US is turning into a third world country due to the sheer irresponsibility of many of the poor. Famine and disease are already plaguing many in the homeless population that another poster states are "overrunning our cities." Typhus, etc. That's a third world country disease.
If you fear that, you need to skill/learn up. I work in the #1 industry for H1B placement, and while you see plenty of them, they are vastly outnumbered by plain Jane average American citizens.
It makes for a nice boogeyman story, but it's fiction. H1Bs don't take anything that isn't being given away, and the number isn't that big to begin with.
Bull. I'm in the #1 industry for H1Bs too (technology) and I can say unequivocally that they've taken over hiring and middle management. Once they're in, they only hire Indians. Period.
I'm in one of the largest metro areas for H1Bs, too: DFW. Some housing developments in the suburbs are majority-Indian and they're taking over the elementary schools too. There's at least half a dozen of them where the student body is majority Indian.
Bull. I'm in the #1 industry for H1Bs too (technology) and I can say unequivocally that they've taken over hiring and middle management. Once they're in, they only hire Indians. Period.
Untrue. I am also in the technology industry (#1 for H1Bs) and I am non Indian and have been hired by Indian managers and also Indian recruiters. More than once.
Like I said... Half of all US births every year are paid for by Medicaid (the public assistance health care program for the poor), and 70% of those born poor never rise above the bottom 20% income level (maximum income $25,000) their entire lives. How is any of that "being responsible" among the poor?
Maybe you should be asking why those who are born poor have such a hard time getting out of it. But you don't ask because you are so busy parroting how stupid and irresponsible Americans are.
However, if 70% of Americans are struggling, then obviously we are not talking about just the poor, but the majority of Americans.
Is there anything you like about America? We already know you don't think too highly of the people. Is it the nature?
I'm in one of the largest metro areas for H1Bs, too: DFW. Some housing developments in the suburbs are majority-Indian and they're taking over the elementary schools too. There's at least half a dozen of them where the student body is majority Indian.
True. I had a client in DFW and practically everyone there was from India. Software engineers, QA, business analysts, supervisors, managers, directors and even VPs are from India. Out of over 100 people, only maybe 5 were not Indians.
They advertise for open positions non-stop, which the H1B requires, but they only hire Indians.
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