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Why would you justify something as brutal as the Pinochet regime when you yourself would never wish something like that on yourself? There is no excuse for murder and torture of innocent people. Your justification can also be used to justify the rise of Adolf Hitler whose country was also a basketcase before he took power. I’m guessing that you approve of that takeover too?
Moreover, Chile is NOW a basketcase again with protests in the streets and a new demand for economic reforms that benefit all citizens and not just a relatively chosen few wealthy individuals. You’re gonna blame the communists for that too? Looks to me like Pinochet’s legacy is being put into better perspective now.
Furthermore, calling Morales of Bolivia a “would be communist dictator” is silly, seeing as how he was the president for 13 years. When was he gonna get from the “would be communist” to actually being a communist if he hadn’t made the transition after 13 years?
Americans call anyone that wants a national economy and a nation’s resources to benefit the nation at large, a “communist.”
It’s lazy analysis of a complex issue. In other words, it’s Trumpian.
The fact is that communists are the moral equivalent to Nazis, would you support allowing Nazis to take control over a country or would you think that the military taking over in that situation and giving helicopter rides to the Nazis was preferable?
As to the current state of the country, Pinochet voluntarily handed over power nearly 30 years ago....and at that time, and for the next decade, the country was booming. If mistakes have been made since then that has reversed their fortunes, it's not his fault. It would be like blaming JFK for Enron.
As to Morales, he IS a communist, the "would be" part is that he was a "would be dictator". That's why he was forced out...to prevent that. Also, before you go on trying to say that he's not a communist, he's quoted as saying that "The worst enemy of humanity is capitalism" and he famously gave the Pope a hammer and sickle crucifix.
The fact is that communists are the moral equivalent to Nazis, would you support allowing Nazis to take control over a country or would you think that the military taking over in that situation and giving helicopter rides to the Nazis was preferable?
As to the current state of the country, Pinochet voluntarily handed over power nearly 30 years ago....and at that time, and for the next decade, the country was booming. If mistakes have been made since then that has reversed their fortunes, it's not his fault. It would be like blaming JFK for Enron.
As to Morales, he IS a communist, the "would be" part is that he was a "would be dictator". That's why he was forced out...to prevent that. Also, before you go on trying to say that he's not a communist, he's quoted as saying that "The worst enemy of humanity is capitalism" and he famously gave the Pope a hammer and sickle crucifix.
More clueless lies about things you don't know anything about.
Afterwards the country went on a nationalization binge to stop the bleeding and get profits back into the country.
Globalists like yourself love wealth extraction when it means cheaper goods for American consumers, everything else doesn't matter. Like our intellectual elite you will support genocide, baby killing, dictatorship, and rape just to get what you want.
America wanted Lithium in Bolivia. Morales allowed the Chinese to come in, now Morales is gone and the new 'self appointed' interim president is slaughtering indigenous protesters. Our foriegn policy establishment is made up of right wing thugs both democrat and republican.
And you couldn't begin to understand nationalism like Attaturk, Fasial, Nasser, and Reza Shah have nothing to do with communism.
Afterwards the country went on a nationalization binge to stop the bleeding and get profits back into the country.
Globalists like yourself love wealth extraction when it means cheaper goods for American consumers, everything else doesn't matter. Like our intellectual elite you will support genocide, baby killing, dictatorship, and rape just to get what you want.
America wanted Lithium in Bolivia. Morales allowed the Chinese to come in, now Morales is gone and the new 'self appointed' interim president is slaughtering indigenous protesters. Our foriegn policy establishment is made up of right wing thugs both democrat and republican.
And you couldn't begin to understand nationalism like Attaturk, Fasial, Nasser, and Reza Shah have nothing to do with communism.
SMH, what you are saying is factually inaccurate, pointing to an economic crisis in 1982 doesn't debunk what I said....you do know that Pinochet was in power till he voluntarily handed over power in 1990 right? A stumble along the way happens. It would be like trying to argue that the US wasn't a global world power because the depression happened.
Communism is cancer, Pinochet cut that cancer out of his country....we can disagree with his methods....and we do, but he was successful and in doing so he greatly helped his country economically.
I get that you are desperately trying to defend communism, it's just that you've got nothing to go on. That's why I excuse some of your more ridiculous statements. It's not easy defending the indefensible.
SMH, what you are saying is factually inaccurate, pointing to an economic crisis in 1982 doesn't debunk what I said....you do know that Pinochet was in power till he voluntarily handed over power in 1990 right? A stumble along the way happens. It would be like trying to argue that the US wasn't a global world power because the depression happened.
Communism is cancer, Pinochet cut that cancer out of his country....we can disagree with his methods....and we do, but he was successful and in doing so he greatly helped his country economically.
I get that you are desperately trying to defend communism, it's just that you've got nothing to go on. That's why I excuse some of your more ridiculous statements. It's not easy defending the indefensible.
Pinochet implemented neo-liberal policy for almost 10 years and destroyed the economy. Afterwards the government went on a nationalization binge to the point that by 1990 the country had a larger public sector ratio to private sector enterprise than under 'socialist' Allende.
Pinochet was a criminal thug who the liberal elite supported because all they care about is cheap consumer goods and corporate wealth.
Morales like Faisal, Attaturk, Reza Shah, Nasser, and other nationalist leaders want to keep money in their country.
But being a liberal globalist you will never understand that. Communist models like in Maoist China have more to do with the division of labor seen in corporate America like Henry Ford and JP Morgan.
Those people, like you, hate freedom and only care about money and power.
Now American leaders want access to lithium, China agreed to extract but kept productive control under Bolivian control. American corporations wanted complete control of the revenue and distribution of lithium. Morales backed the Chinese bid, now Morales is gone. Do you think our government cares about democracy? Do you really believe that?
Morales has been in office since 2006 and has been accused of rigging the last election. He had also hired Russians to help him out.
Just because your guy is rigging the elections doesn’t make it democratic.
Oh for the love of god read the thread before jumping in.
No proof has been shared by the new self appointed interim president but regardless Morales had agreed to hold another election. The military forced him out, now the liberal establishment in Washington is celebrating.
Why? Because it was an illegal coup that has resulted into military execution of indigenous protesters, the people you probably hate because they get in the way of access to cheap lithium for the American markets.
Our government never cared about democracy or freedom, they would support genocide and rape (like in Chile, Bangladesh, Honduras, Ecuador, Panama, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Brazil, Argentina, Korea, Taiwan, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Egypt, Russia, Ukraine, Haiti, and many more places) if it means access to cheap marketable capital like labor or raw commodities.
What they care about is access to cheap labor and consumer resources to lower the cost of consumption domestically and promote internal revenue gains. That means corporate America must be allowed into a country to take its wealth.
In Bolivia with a huge untapped cache of Lithium the government gave the contract to the Chinese because they left control of the deposits and total production in the hands of the people. American corporations wanted complete control so Morales rejected their offer. Now Morales is gone and a self elected right wing government is slaughtering the people in its way while respected establishment policy writers in DC nod their heads in approvement. Russians and Chinese companies offer a better deal for developing countries who still want to control their resources.
Now America hates Bolivia, and you have the gall to say Russia is involved? Of course they seek help from countries more powerful than them with hope to survive total destruction.
What you can't accept is that your leaders are worse than the Russians in many regards, especially from Bolivia's perspective. Your support of right wing thuggery isn't unusual, it has been the standard approach of your leaders for decades.
Have you ever thought that your 'respected' intellectuals and liberal establishment both in the democrat and republican party are no more than human filth who deserve to be thrown into jail for international war crimes and human right violations? They are worthless thugs who spit on your constitution and promote market wealth over individual rights then tell you to blame Russia.
The fact is that communists are the moral equivalent to Nazis, would you support allowing Nazis to take control over a country or would you think that the military taking over in that situation and giving helicopter rides to the Nazis was preferable?
As to the current state of the country, Pinochet voluntarily handed over power nearly 30 years ago....and at that time, and for the next decade, the country was booming. If mistakes have been made since then that has reversed their fortunes, it's not his fault. It would be like blaming JFK for Enron.
As to Morales, he IS a communist, the "would be" part is that he was a "would be dictator". That's why he was forced out...to prevent that. Also, before you go on trying to say that he's not a communist, he's quoted as saying that "The worst enemy of humanity is capitalism" and he famously gave the Pope a hammer and sickle crucifix.
Yeah, well arguing with folks like yourself is a waste of time because you’re an imperialist.
Folks like you have no beef with White Europeans nationalizing industries and socializing their economies for the benefit of all of their citizens. You only have an issue when nations full of brown people do it. Then you send in your CIA and try to overturn their elected governments.
That’s the long and short of it for you Conservatives.
His policy push forward by the Chicago boys and American neo-liberals failed.
The 1982 crisis destroy Chile's economy and afterwards they reverted course and nationalized main industries like copper. By the 1990s Chile's had a larger public sector economy than during the 'socialist' allende.
But Americans don't care, they want cheap processed goods from poor country, not 'democracy' and 'freedom'. The American leadership wants access to Lithium in Bolivia today; right before the coup Morales had agreed to give the Chinese access to help with extraction as American corporations wanted complete ownership and control of production. Now Morales is gone.
But Americans don't care, they just slap each other on the back and congratulate one another for 'freeing' another south American country.
That’s what it all comes down to...Lithium. And for that, we’ll willfully destroy a nation and overturn the will of the people.
The CIA must be so proud. #votedemocrat #wearenotfacistthugswhubutcherciviliansforlithium
I wonder beb0p, does this make you lose faith in the intellectual leaders of DC who staff the democratic and republican party, does it make you see that they are right wing thugs who only care about money?
Yes or No?
The CIA are the exact same Deep Staters who are trying to engineer a soft coup in our OWN country.
You said this wasn't a military coup, you said this was to re-implement democracy as political parties are being banned from the election.
I said this was about Lithium.
What do we disagree on again?
I said the military stepped in to enforce democracy. Again, I never said one beep about the protesters.
I don't really care what we disagree on at this point. I know for sure I don't share your extreme view of how the economy works.
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