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Old 11-17-2019, 05:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
BS, that's exactly why he did it.

He wanted to let her know that he could ruin her career and her reputation.

Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example.

Wanted to give his fan club something to crow about.
"Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example. "

Is that why obama fired EVERY SINGLE W. Bush Ambassador right after he took office?

And why clinton fired EVER one of the 93 Attorney Generals?

No one on the left complained about it then but, when W.Bush fired only 4 Attorney Generals, the dems and the left media went crazy.

"Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example."

And just what did she do to show, "her courageous example"?

 
Old 11-17-2019, 05:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 View Post
Are you so silly that you don't understand the tweet can be used to intimidate FUTURE witnesses?

Schiff read it into the record - as any decent attorney would have.

Good lands,man. Even FAUX thinks the Trump Tweet as a huge mistake.
Well I am sure they are shaking in their boots. That Tweet was vintage Trump, the same behavior we have seen time after time. That didn’t seem to “‘ intimidate” all the previous cast of characters that Dems have lined up to trash the POTUS. Plus the Dems will provide a Lawyer, a sympathetic MSM and all the help in the world.
Whatever it takes.

He read it into the record because his case has holes in it , and he needed the violins to accompany the organ notes during the breaks of this Soap Opera.

Unlike LIbs, I don’t take marching orders from anyone.

The hearing was absolutely pathetic, a huge waste of time and taxpayer money. To watch all the self absorbed pompous Dems in this Inquisition is a disgrace.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 05:59 AM
 
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I thought we had a democracy with a constitution that made the rules.
What is your point?

Her boss and even she ADMITTED they "serve at the PLEASURE of the president" which conforms with the Constitution.

If you think it does NOT, please explain.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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If she was doing such a bad job....why did it take Trump three years -- oh never mind. Two weeks after this administration extends her contract they cancel it because they didn't mean to extend it?

However you want to play this -- this administration is incompetent.
"if she was doing such a bad job....why did it take Trump three years -"

Are you this ignorant?

When a NEW president was Elected-he did NOT like her. If you don't understand this, it is no wonder you have TDS!

And we are called the UN-educted!
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example. "

Is that why obama fired EVERY SINGLE W. Bush Ambassador right after he took office?

And why clinton fired EVER one of the 93 Attorney Generals?

No one on the left complained about it then but, when W.Bush fired only 4 Attorney Generals, the dems and the left media went crazy.

"Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example."

And just what did she do to show, "her courageous example"?
It is AMAZING how full of CRAP some posters are here, like the one you quoted.


Sickening!
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:19 AM
 
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Another false equivalency. There are two types of ambassadors: foreign service officers (career diplomats) and political appointees. It isn't unusual for political appointees to come and go as administrations change. Obama dismissed the political ambassadors. Yovanovitch was a foreign service officer, a career diplomat. Foreign service officers are nonpartisan and serve under different administrations irrespective of party. It is not typical for presidents to dismiss career diplomats.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambass..._United_States
"Foreign service officers are nonpartisan and serve under different administrations irrespective of party."

She is listes as Ambassador:

"Marie Louise "Masha" Yovanovitch (born November 11, 1958) is an American diplomat and member of the senior ranks of the United States Foreign Service.[1][2] She served in a variety of State Department posts, including Senior Advisor to the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs (2004–2005); U.S. Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan (2005–2008); U.S. Ambassador to Armenia (2008–2011); Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs (2012–2013); and Ambassador to Ukraine (2016–2019). Yovanovitch is a diplomat in residence at the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University.[3][4] While ambassador to Ukraine>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Yovanovitch


She is still a political appointee diplomat And have to be confirmed by the Senate:

"Foreign Service Officers (known informally as "generalists") are appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

United States Foreign Service - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › United_States_Foreign_Service

"Foreign Service Officer

The mission of a U.S. diplomat..."

https://careers.state.gov/work/foreign-service/officer/

Last edited by Quick Enough; 11-17-2019 at 06:29 AM..
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's not unreasonable to believe that Yovanovitch was fired because she's a known liar. She perjured herself under oath while testifying before Congress Friday. Roger Stone her. SWAT at pre-dawn, and all.

From Yovanovitch's opening statement, Friday, Novenber 15, 2019 (on page 8):

"I have never met Hunter Biden, nor have I had any direct or indirect conversations with him. And although I have met former Vice President Biden several times over the course of our many years in government, neither he nor the previous Administration ever raised the issue of either Burisma or Hunter Biden with me."
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...Statement.html

But then later that same day (at 3:20 in the video)...

https://youtu.be/6DsCEyQoYyk


She's a liar, and now criminally so.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:45 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
Another false equivalency. There are two types of ambassadors: foreign service officers (career diplomats) and political appointees. It isn't unusual for political appointees to come and go as administrations change. Obama dismissed the political ambassadors. Yovanovitch was a foreign service officer, a career diplomat. Foreign service officers are nonpartisan and serve under different administrations irrespective of party. It is not typical for presidents to dismiss career diplomats.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambass..._United_States
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"Foreign service officers are nonpartisan and serve under different administrations irrespective of party."

She is listes as Ambassador:

"Marie Louise "Masha" Yovanovitch (born November 11, 1958) is an American diplomat and member of the senior ranks of the United States Foreign Service.[1][2] She served in a variety of State Department posts, including Senior Advisor to the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs (2004–2005); U.S. Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan (2005–2008); U.S. Ambassador to Armenia (2008–2011); Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs (2012–2013); and Ambassador to Ukraine (2016–2019). Yovanovitch is a diplomat in residence at the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University.[3][4] While ambassador to Ukraine>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Yovanovitch


She is still a political appointee diplomat And have to be confirmed by the Senate:

"Foreign Service Officers (known informally as "generalists") are appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

United States Foreign Service - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › United_States_Foreign_Service

"Foreign Service Officer

The mission of a U.S. diplomat..."

https://careers.state.gov/work/foreign-service/officer/
I don't know what point you're trying to make because this information doesn't contradict my own. Yovanovitch was a career diplomat, not a political appointee. Those are two different things. Being confirmed by the Senate doesn't make her political. She was unanimously confirmed, which proved her confirmation was nonpartisan. Both parties wanted her in. Believe it or not, Trump doesn't make every single governmental decision on his own. The Senate still has some say in what goes on in our country. Can Trump fire her? Sure. Is it very weird that he did? Yes, especially since he didn't give a reason on Twitter. Oh wait, he did. Somalia went bad after she was posted there It is not normal for presidents to fire career diplomats. Both Republicans and Democrats have a mutual interest in maintaining the national security of the United States. That is, unless they are corrupt presidents. Then they have a very good reason to fire nonpartisan career diplomats whose sole purpose is to root out corruption.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Boston
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If the House impeaches Trump and it moves to a trial in the Senate, who will testify for the Democrats if no heresay testimony is allowed as Sen Graham has stated?

Could someone list those currently testifying in the House who will be eligible to testify at the trial?
 
Old 11-17-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example. "

Is that why obama fired EVERY SINGLE W. Bush Ambassadoright after he took office?

And why clinton fired EVER one of the 93 Attorney Generals?

No one on the left complained about it then but, when W.Bush fired only 4 Attorney Generals, the dems and the left media went crazy.

"Wanted to let everyone else know they better think twice before they follow her courageous example."

And just what did she do to show, "her courageous example"?
If Trump had dismissed her at any time before Guilliani started spreading lies about her you have a good point.


But there is no official record of ANYTHING she did to question her ability to do the job well. And just two weeks before she was asked to extend her contract.

And if someone on the right had been able to show an Ambassador dismissed by Obama where a personal attorney of Obama's had been spreading lies about her...I suspect we would have had some conversations similar to this.

You can't gloss over the facts.

Trump never suggested her agenda was inappropriate, insufficient, etc. She was aksed in the middle of the night to get the next plane out because Guilliani and Trump were going to escalate their personal influence (not the agenda of the USA -- Trumpps personal agenda) and they knew she would not 'cooperate'.

AND letj's not leave out that Trump's big supporter also is questioning Trump's actions.

You are comparing apples to liver.....they aren't even in the same food group....lol

You can't leave out key details that suggest her ousting had more to do with Trump's personal agenda than the agenda of the United States Govt.
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