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Old 11-23-2019, 01:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by beb0p View Post
Ever wonder why Trump kept hiring undoubtedly the most incompetent lawyer who has ever sat foot inside the White House? Ever wonder why the typically disloyal Trump never said a bad word about Giuliani despite his numerous bloopers and legal fumble?

One reason may be that Trump has to. Giuliani knows so much about Trump's criminal enterprise that if he sings, the bars that appear would not be musical notes.

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Well then... There should be audio if not a full video of the interview with audio. In the clip above he says "Assurance" not Insurance.
Without that, you have hearsay, Fake News.

 
Old 11-23-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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Wow, I eagerly opened the thread thinking this sounds bad.......nope just more TDS.
I don't understand people saying it's TDS when they state what someone is saying. Guiliani said he has insurance on Trump. Maybe Guiliani has TDS?
 
Old 11-23-2019, 02:28 PM
 
Location: FL
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Nunes now is threatening to sue several publications with lawsuits filed after Thanksgiving. Other thread. In the statement his office released he cannot demonstrate why the stories are as he maintains demonstrably false. Clearly, he went to Vienna for he filed a taxpayer-paid expense report.

Cannot he even say why he was in Vienna? Looks like Nunes was too dumb to manufacture another reason then quietly tack on the Parnas and Shokin meeting. And if there's nothing wrong about him meeting with Shokin, then why the denial? He just gave this legs.

And note that if Parnas (thru his attorney who Nunes now labels a "political operative") lies about Nunes ... then it is also Parnas that John Solomon and Rudy Giuliani relied on for Biden information.

When we practice to deceive oh what webs we weave.
He should have thought about it before threatening publications but I am not surprised that he didn't.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If Guiliani has good insurance, he had better cash it in while he still can.

When Trump is cornered, he does anything and everything he can to save himself. That includes throwing anyone under the bus first and driving the bus himself if that's what it takes.

He'll cry great crocodile tears when he drives over old Rudy, but he won't slow down the bus.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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Nunes now is threatening to sue several publications with lawsuits filed after Thanksgiving. Other thread. In the statement his office released he cannot demonstrate why the stories are as he maintains demonstrably false. Clearly, he went to Vienna for he filed a taxpayer-paid expense report.

Cannot he even say why he was in Vienna? Looks like Nunes was too dumb to manufacture another reason then quietly tack on the Parnas and Shokin meeting. And if there's nothing wrong about him meeting with Shokin, then why the denial? He just gave this legs.

And note that if Parnas (thru his attorney who Nunes now labels a "political operative") lies about Nunes ... then it is also Parnas that John Solomon and Rudy Giuliani relied on for Biden information.

When we practice to deceive oh what webs we weave.
So Nunes was involved with fabricating that smear campaign against Biden.

Was he in Vienna meeting with Firtash, the oligarch that was indicted on racketeering charges in 2013 and apparently lives in Vienna fighting extradition?
 
Old 11-23-2019, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Last Spring Biden was projected in polls to beat Trump. Right after that is when this whole thing started. Coincidence? Nah, I don't think so.
But Biden provides his own dirt.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
 
Old 11-23-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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So Nunes was involved with fabricating that smear campaign against Biden.

Was he in Vienna meeting with Firtash, the oligarch that was indicted on racketeering charges in 2013 and apparently lives in Vienna fighting extradition?
No specific allegations (tho I haven't looked) but folks must be wondering. Why Vienna? Maybe Shokin now is based there also. Still it was the Firtash attorneys who repeatedly met with "the group" (including on occasion Nunes' investigator) at the Trump Hotel in DC. They also represent Solomon but surely Solomon didn't need to take his very high priced lawyers (both of them) with him to a meeting with Parnas, Giuliani etc. for his personal benefit to oversee his 'reporting.'

There's a Ukrainian poster who asserts "this" began with Firtash ... but then it also began with Lutsenko (per his account) ... so what is fascinating is the reporting how the two efforts to get Biden merged. Different motivations, same end-result.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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Nunes is dirty......can't be coincidence that he's parlaying with Russians who are now under indictment.

The whole crew is dirty. And, no, not "what about" or "it's all the same".

It isn't.

This will go down as the most corrupt Administration in US History. Period.

I think that is a good thing because future generations have to know we haven't lost our minds and we still know how to measure this stuff.

I don't think there is a honorable person among them...in the admin. In terms of Congress and the Senate maybe 15% of Republicans may be honorable (basically) but that doesn't mean they will do the right thing.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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Nunes is dirty......can't be coincidence that he's parlaying with Russians who are now under indictment.

The whole crew is dirty. And, no, not "what about" or "it's all the same".

It isn't.

This will go down as the most corrupt Administration in US History. Period.

I think that is a good thing because future generations have to know we haven't lost our minds and we still know how to measure this stuff.

I don't think there is a honorable person among them...in the admin. In terms of Congress and the Senate maybe 15% of Republicans may be honorable (basically) but that doesn't mean they will do the right thing.
If Nunes is tied into Firtash then a chunk of the $170 million or whatever it was he put up as a bond to Austria reportedly came from the Russian mafia. Firtash is looking at some serious jail time in the United States and loss of assets if he gets extradited. The Shokin charges on Biden were included in his Affidavit supporting Firtash. It was done in September 2019 (with Parnas 'assistance').

Shokin associates leaked that the Affidavit was supposed to remain confidential but Rudy got his hands on it and sent it on to John Solomon. Why confidential? Maybe because in it, Shokin implicated his former boss then-President Poroshenko in protecting Burisma. The Affidavit makes little sense - unless Biden bared his soul to Poroshenko who then told Shokin. And Poroshenko doesn't seem to have a comment.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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No specific allegations (tho I haven't looked) but folks must be wondering. Why Vienna? Maybe Shokin now is based there also. Still it was the Firtash attorneys who repeatedly met with "the group" (including on occasion Nunes' investigator) at the Trump Hotel in DC. They also represent Solomon but surely Solomon didn't need to take his very high priced lawyers (both of them) with him to a meeting with Parnas, Giuliani etc. for his personal benefit to oversee his 'reporting.'

There's a Ukrainian poster who asserts "this" began with Firtash ... but then it also began with Lutsenko (per his account) ... so what is fascinating is the reporting how the two efforts to get Biden merged. Different motivations, same end-result.

On CNN a few weeks ago, they were talking about it, something about Firtash being under house arrest in Vienna and not being able to leave.
The same show they were talking about how Guiliani had convicted Felon Paul Manaforts attorneys and was emailing Manafort back and forth from Prison while meeting up with Firtash in Vienna who was a convicted Felon(into Organized Crime) living there under house arrest.
I was making dinner at the time, so only partly was paying attention.




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By Tom Winter
A U.S. senator's office says that after 18 months it has still received no answer from the Justice Department about why a Ukrainian oligarch linked to Paul Manafort and two men who work with Rudolph Giuliani has not been extradited to the U.S. to face federal bribery charges.
A spokesperson for Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., said, "We have not received a response" to a 2018 letter about Dmytro Firtash.
On June 25, Austria approved extradition on Firtash, who has been living in Vienna since his 2014 arrest, but Firtash has asked that the case be reopened.
Sen. Wicker sent a letter to then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions in April 2018 asking about the status of Firtash's extradition. NBC News exclusively obtained that letter through Freedom of Information Act litigation with the Justice Department.
Wicker alleged in the letter that Firtash, who has also been linked to Russian organized crime, had made "hundreds of millions" in "illicit profits" while fighting extradition to the U.S.
whole article can be read here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-says-n1066521
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Senator: Oligarch linked to Kremlin earned millions while fighting extradition to U.S.

Dmytro Firtash has been under indictment in Chicago since 2014. He was also involved in a failed business deal with ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ion-u-n1013661
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