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Where have conservatives gone who have given up on the Republicans party?
Quite a few have said they can no longer support the direction the party has headed. So are they just out there floating, waiting in the wings for someone to unite them?
Libertarianism, through its promotion of meaningful disengagement in regard to any type of sociopolitical culture that could lead to real political power for any group, is designed to socially fracture political groups.
In that it works the same as communism. In fact, this social fracture mechanism is the primary function of both (as opposed to the economic method of socialism). The primary aim is to remove functional political power of any group at the level of culture, where it starts.
They can't be united because they are libertarians. That's how that works. Once the fracture occurs, military suppression from a stronger group / mafia / nation is supposed to step in and take over / kill them / oppress them / or they are supposed to rejoin their true group at that point after their subversive duty is over.
In the case of "floating" conservatives like Jonah Goldberg, for example, he neglects to mention is iron social umbrella of institutional Judaism that stands as his actual, collective, politically protective and powerful group.
What "libertarians" like Goldberg want is for people that do not have the same umbrella to relinquish whatever one that they do have under the false promise of being granted status as a "true conservative".
If libertarians are made irrelevant as the prior ostensible (not actual) core of the conservative party, before a revolutionary or foreign dominant and military force can step into the political-power vacuum that they caused, because people have woken up to the fact that libertarianism is a sham meant to politically disempower, then yes they are just "floating" or they retreat to their real umbrellas of liberalism / subversive minority ethnic-nationalism.
What they don't get to do, at least with any credibility, is to continue their sham appropriation of the conservative moniker.
If libertarians are conservatives, then Israel is libertarian (socially liberal) because it is run by socially conservative ethno-nationalist Orthodox Jews. Which is it? Are Orthodox Jews conservatives or liberals because they espouse social, ethno-nationalist conservatism and run their ethno-state that way?
Conservatism is not libertarianism. It is ethnic nationalism. Above is the short proof using a clear real world example. I can get much deeper into purely logical proofs if called to do so.
Not that anyone who isn't being disingenuous or has a room temp IQ needs such a proof, but there it is anyway just in case.
Now that the Republican Party has abandoned the national interest in foreign policy and no longer honor the rule of law at home, where can a conservative go to find a political party with conservative values? I'm sure the Republican Party will continue to be well funded by special interest oligarchs, but they are dismissive and even destructive of conservative values.
There are always nascent political parties, but conservatives haven't had a decent choice since the Reform Party in 1995. At the time, the Republican Party was still a viable home for conservatives, but no longer. It has become a home for criminals and their lickspittle lackeys.
Does anyone have a suggestion of a political party that honors conservative values?
Sadly, Donald Trump has destroyed the GOP.
Most moderate Republicans and non-racist conservatives have nowhere to turn as Donny drags the Republican Party to the extreme far-right.
I would recommend registering as an independent and voting for a moderate dem in 2020.
Donald Trump has done immeasurable damage to the GOP and it could take years to ground the party again.
The Democrats of maturity and age are generally very conservative in the issues of government that matter.
Unfortunately our system is not set up for parties and all and therefore the two existing have virtually all the power. This will not change anytime soon enough....for you and I.
Here is my reasoning...on some big issues....maybe starting from the largest down....
1. Health Care - it is very "conservative" to look at the entire picture and not try to appeal to the basest instincts. Trying to scare people or appeal to their ability to offload costs onto others is the status quo. "I got mine" or "death panels" or all of that....isn't even starting to touch the issue. The issue is largely the same as others - it costs us 11K per person per year and rising. Can you afford to pay that (whether in national debt, your children debt or out of your wages)?
2. Environment - again, the "conservative" way would be not to cause massive problems that cost much more in the future. You don't save money when you buy an item cheaper because more stuff is dumped into the air, water and land. It goes without saying that Environmental issues...in the long run, are better tackled by the Democratic Party.
3. Debt and Taxes - these are, of course, directly related. The current GOP has proven beyond a doubt that they don't have any desire, not a speck, to pay the bills. That's certainly not "conservative".
I'd say the only way "conservative" fits the GOP is if we define in an ancient form...that is "lack of progression and clinging to the ways of the past". The ways of the past, though, are generally a decent life for a very few....financed by the oppression of VERY MANY. In much of the country, the "old ways" mean that people "know their place and stay there".
Those are general statements - as they would have to be when you have two basic world-views (only) to consider.
The word "conservative", IMHO, is far outdated. If we use a more descriptive term like "more sustainable" I think we get closer to the mark. We can't solve our budget or envionmental problems in a decade or two, but we can measure "conservative" in whether we are heading in that direction or not.
In terms of the current admin. in the WH, it is certain that the problems listed above are going in the wrong direction - that's measurable and factual.
Most moderate Republicans and non-racist conservatives have nowhere to turn as Donny drags the Republican Party to the extreme far-right.
I would recommend registering as an independent and voting for a moderate dem in 2020.
Donald Trump has done immeasurable damage to the GOP and it could take years to ground the party again.
While this is true, remember that he follows in the footsteps of GWB and the Neo-cons (wars and security state and biggest financial disaster in history) as well as Newt and friends (5 years of investigation into a real estate deal and also the tie-ins with crooks like Enron, Delay and friends).
To say nothing of the Kochs and the Fake Tea Party...all part and parcel.
Trump didn't come from nowhere. He is the perfect representative of what they all wanted...in a sense. If we use that old saying "watch what you wish for because you may just get it", he represents that. It's what they always desired - an authoritarian who is going to "save them" by giving billionaires tax breaks and entertaining the masses while they all look the other way.
Other than the few moderate Republicans who, over the years, tried to reform the budget and work in immigration reform (McCain, Simpson, etc.), I can't think of much left of the party except "we love money more than you do".
Where have conservatives gone who have given up on the Republicans party?
Quite a few have said they can no longer support the direction the party has headed. So are they just out there floating, waiting in the wings for someone to unite them?
I think that's pretty accurate. As others have mentioned, as the Republicans have shifted to the extreme right wing, Democrats have become more centrist. I have no faith that will continue. I look at the current crop of left wing lunatics running for president, and am very afraid one of them will get elected just because Trump is so repugnant. That would lead to another term of paralysis in US politics. While America is stuck in the mud, the rest of the world is forging ahead.
I see this as a critical time in history. The US has shown itself to be an unreliable political and military ally, the economy of China is projected to pass the US next year, and without firm opposition, Putin is on course to rebuild parts of the old Soviet empire.
We are desperately in need of a government that will proceed with forethought and diligence to guide America's future. That's going to require real leadership. You can't legislate America's social contract back into existence. America's slide into decadence has been greased by the elite and leaders who should be upholding us. Al Gore made $100 million in a single year by selling Current TV to al-Jazeera, owned by Qatar and paid for by fossil fuel money, and $30 million in Apple stock that he got for nothing just by being a popular PR face on the Board of Directors.
There are numerous American politicians who are not on the take. It just takes exceptional morality to make $10 million on a book deal, then sit next to someone who made $100 million for pandering to the rich and powerful.
The DNC and the RNC will cheerfully sell out to the highest bidder. Is it possible to form a political party that does not sink into depravity? I would like to think so, but I may be naive.
Another reason I feel the electoral college needs to be abolished.
One person, one vote, that's how it should count.
I think the problem with the Electoral College is the winner-take-all rule. If we had proportional voting, then a candidate that takes 40% of the vote would get 40% of the electors. That would pretty much guarantee the electoral vote would match the popular vote, unless a third party got enough votes to force a coalition candidate.
Right now you don't have a choice who you vote for, because the rules make third parties irrelevant.
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