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First question: why do they have to be bipedal? Why can't they have four legs and four arms? Or ride along on tracks like a tank? I think we're already at a point where a robot can do pretty much any manual task better than a human, but that's not AI.
Second: you say we're a "long way" from having AI robots but this will be a big issue in a decade or so. 10 years is not a long way IMO, it's like around the corner.
The challenge for humanity will be, once robots are smart enough to get along without us how do we prevent them from enslaving or eliminating us. We have more than 10 years, maybe 100 years, to figure out this problem.
I explained this above, but I will give you some examples, factories or distribution centers Ive worked at, the workers all do multiple job duties, they dont just stand in one spot doing one task, they may be unloading a truck, driving a forklift, moving skids around, using inventory computers, etc.
Construction work is the same way, workers do multiple jobs, they may have to operate equipment, tools of all sizes, etc all these things are designed to have human operators, a jackhammer has 2 handles, so human arms can pick it up and hold up, a skid steer has a seat with foot and hand controls, designed for human operators.
If you are building a robot to take the place of human workers,it needs to be bipedal and humanoid, because that is how the workplaces are designed and set up.
I explained this above, but I will give you some examples, factories or distribution centers Ive worked at, the workers all do multiple job duties, they dont just stand in one spot doing one task, they may be unloading a truck, driving a forklift, moving skids around, using inventory computers, etc.
Construction work is the same way, workers do multiple jobs, they may have to operate equipment, tools of all sizes, etc all these things are designed to have human operators, a jackhammer has 2 handles, so human arms can pick it up and hold up, a skid steer has a seat with foot and hand controls, designed for human operators.
If you are building a robot to take the place of human workers,it needs to be bipedal and humanoid, because that is how the workplaces are designed and set up.
And yet the documentary (Frontline, "In The age of AI") that has been posted in this thread a manufacturing company interviewed said, that once they let go 10 workers that have been replaced by automation, they do not hire 10 workers for other labor.
So everyone is killed, except for the 0.1% best capitalists in the world? The most competitive, type A, financial geniuses on the planet?
.....And you expect them to say “Hey, lets all be equal guys! Yay Socialism!”
LOL.
You know that is not human nature, even in the general population, let alone with people who’s entire existence was predicated on the exact opposite of this. If your robot builds a Ferrari, then mine has to build a Bugatti. And if mine builds a Bugatti, then the other guys robot has to create something that is even faster. That goes for Houses, jewelry, spouses, clothes, etc, etc, etc.
And lets not forget the whole psychological aspect of it. I like going to places that most people cant afford, and I figured out a long time ago the reason why. Yes, a hotel that is $1K per night, typically looks nicer than a motel 8. Yes there is better food. But you know what it really is that makes it worth it? The service. The people are paid to treat you like a king. You are always right, even if you are wrong. You leave something in your car, they go out and get it for you. You want to eat some food that is not on the room service menu, they send someone out to find it and bring it to you in your room. At the best of the best hotels, everywhere you walk, they know you by name. You go out to the pool and the pool boy says Hello Mr. So and So, would you like a towel. It’s the same reason you pay $300K initiation fee and $35k per year to belong to a country club. Well, that, and the incredibly kept golf course. It’s the same when you go to a top restaurant.
The people we are talking about don’t just do these things once in a while, like I do. They live in this world every day, all the time, 24/7. Think about this for a minute. Psychologically, do you think this service will have the same impact when done by robots, programmed to do it, as it does when it is being done by human beings of their own free will?
It’s obvious you didn’t get what I said. I said they wouldn’t need other people around in this scenario. Please read through it. You don’t have to get so defensive over the wealthy and think that everything is class warfare. Again I don’t buy into this conspiracy.
Is this a reflex for you? Anytime there is something mentioned about the rich that isn’t favorable you blurt out socialism, like someone who has Tourette’s.
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The people we are talking about don’t just do these things once in a while, like I do. They live in this world every day, all the time, 24/7. Think about this for a minute. Psychologically, do you think this service will have the same impact when done by robots, programmed to do it, as it does when it is being done by human beings of their own free will?
It’s obvious you didn’t get what I said. I said they wouldn’t need other people around in this scenario. Please read through it. You don’t have to get so defensive over the wealthy and think that everything is class warfare. Again I don’t buy into this conspiracy.
Is this a reflex for you? Anytime there is something mentioned about the rich that isn’t favorable you blurt out socialism, like someone who has Tourette’s.
Huh? Either i am not communicating well, or you are not comprehending well. This wasn’t an angry or defensive post. For you to misinterpret my post so badly, you must not have any idea the way wealthy people think.
You need to read through my post again. It is obvious you didn’t get what I said. I said they DO need other people, because dominating a machine that is programmed to be dominated, does not give you the same internal reward as dominating human beings that submit to your will of their own choosing. You cant feel like you are the best of the best, when everyone under you is made of metal and computer chips. Therefore, there is no point in being rich. To them, wealth is only a measure to prove that you are the best. That is what drives them, not what the money can buy. In your scenario, nobody is the best, or everybody is the best. Either way, “best” becomes meaningless.
I wasn’t saying socialism as a pejorative. That is what it would be. Socialism. No anger. No defensiveness. I am sure if you want to tell a bunch of Uber capitalists that they don't need to compete with each other anymore, that all of their wants and needs will be taken care of, and they can all be equal, they would consider that socialism. That is not what they want. It is not in their personality. It would be completely unnatural to them, and it would fall apart very quickly as each of them found new ways to be “better” than the rest. It is that drive, that got them to where they are, and it is that drive that has advanced human kind throughout our history.
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I always wondered who cleaned the businesses, who worked sanitation, who did the crap jobs that those rich Industrialist were NOT going to do. I guess the robots will until they take over and become the overseers of the Rich elite.
Huh? Either i am not communicating well, or you are not comprehending well. This wasn’t an angry or defensive post. For you to misinterpret my post so badly, you must not have any idea the way wealthy people think.
You need to read through my post again. It is obvious you didn’t get what I said. I said they DO need other people, because dominating a machine that is programmed to be dominated, does not give you the same internal reward as dominating human beings that submit to your will of their own choosing. You cant feel like you are the best of the best, when everyone under you is made of metal and computer chips. Therefore, there is no point in being rich. To them, wealth is only a measure to prove that you are the best. That is what drives them, not what the money can buy. In your scenario, nobody is the best, or everybody is the best. Either way, “best” becomes meaningless.
I wasn’t saying socialism as a pejorative. That is what it would be. Socialism. No anger. No defensiveness. I am sure if you want to tell a bunch of Uber capitalists that they don't need to compete with each other anymore, that all of their wants and needs will be taken care of, and they can all be equal, they would consider that socialism. That is not what they want. It is not in their personality. It would be completely unnatural to them, and it would fall apart very quickly as each of them found new ways to be “better” than the rest. It is that drive, that got them to where they are, and it is that drive that has advanced human kind throughout our history.
I will say I didn't read through your post as well as I should have. The thing is we already have evidence of large corporations agreeing to squash the competition and set pricing comparable to each other. They would also find new ways to compete with each other, it doesn't have to be in the traditional capitalist paradigm. What you said about the service at hotels, that may be a point, but they can program the robots to be more authentic in their responses. I don't agree that humans operate on free will though. I believe largely in determinism. You make a lot of small arbitrary decisions shaped by your environment and the physical realm that largely determines your actions and outcomes.
When you have conquered your environment and your limits to do things and not have to be reliant on others, this is huge. There are many things that can determine their behavior to do this such as threat of a revolution. I think you're limiting yourself to our current paradigm. Again this is a hypothetical.
I know it sounds like something from sci-fi horror but I fear this is the most likely reality. Wealth inequality is extremely high and automation will only make it worse. At some point most of the world's population will become completely useless to the wealthy whom will simply isolate themselves from everybody else and live in fully automated high-tech paradises while everybody else rots. Once the rabble becomes too angry/dangerous the rich will just respond by unleashing a global holocaust that destroys everybody except themselves...
No they won't. It still takes a human brain to invent robots and other technology, and the elite will still need the little guy to buy their crap, because do you see them buying their own crap?
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