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Old 11-16-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Protesters Have Burnt Down The Central Bank In Behbahan, Iran.




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Old 11-16-2019, 04:08 PM
 
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Protesters Have Burnt Down The Central Bank In Behbahan, Iran.




https://twitter.com/GBNReports/statu...25985590722561

Hmm.... Interesting...

There is an awful lot of civil unrest in the world right now.
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Hmm.... Interesting...

There is an awful lot of civil unrest in the world right now.
When hasn’t there been?
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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When hasn’t there been?
1100s.

The days before capitalism.
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Houston
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1100s.

The days before capitalism.
That’s funny
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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1100s.

The days before capitalism.

Ah yes, the dark ages. Such a glorious time. When humanity marched backwards with regard to standard of living and technology. The population was kept thin and well in check by the grueling long workdays that depleted everyone's energy. Kinda hard to protest when you're working 16 hours a day. The black death and endless wars kinda kept the protesting to a minimum as well.

If everyone behaved, kept sex to a minimum, gave what little they had to the church and died when their overlords told them to, everyone got a nice comfy bed of straws to sleep on, outside the comforts of the king's castle. So privileged they were! If I didn't know any better, I would think democrats are trying to recreate these glory days here in America, minus the religion!
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Ah yes, the dark ages. Such a glorious time. When humanity marched backwards with regard to standard of living and technology. The population was kept thin and well in check by the grueling long workdays that depleted everyone's energy. Kinda hard to protest when you're working 16 hours a day. The black death kinda kept the protesting to a minimum as well.
This is what misinformation gets you.

The 'dark ages' is a name most medievalists mock and is mainly a result of Hollywood propaganda.

Their were droughts and plagues but agriculture was more advanced in the manorial system than the slave villas of the roman empire.

On average medieval peasants were taller than their Roman counter parts, and they had steady food supply and high quality organic products.

If you lived by a river/fishing village you'd have more goods to sell in town centers. The open field system meant peasants each had their own farm products to sell/eat.

The thing was because each farm strip was separated into different quadrants across the field farmers would work cooperatively to keep fertilizing the soil and often shared their labor/pooled together resources. There was a high level of security as there was no land costs and workers managed the entire field cooperatively. The lord would provide armed security and help organize celebrations. Christmas was a merry time and merchants often gained in trading craft goods for field produce.

When lords started wanting surplus produce for their wars/court culture the peasants revolted. So its not that peasants could revolt, because they could, they just didn't want to.

Land lords started implementing capitalism so peasant entrepreneurs can just collect all the labor of a large pool of workers and rent value can be derived since now management/ownership wasn't shared amongst the laborers.

Merchants hated capitalism because as the lords rent out their lands to peasant crop holders they got a smaller share of the pie. Peasants violently protested this change because they lost food security/land control and had to work collectively under some capital owner who took all their produce and paid them low wages.

You won't hear this from intellectuals who think capitalism the holy grail of society.
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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This is what misinformation gets you.

The 'dark ages' is a name most medievalists mock and is mainly a result of Hollywood propaganda.

Their were droughts and plagues but agriculture was more advanced in the manorial system than the slave villas of the roman empire.

On average medieval peasants were taller than their Roman counter parts, and they had steady food supply and high quality organic products.

If you lived by a river/fishing village you'd have more goods to sell in town centers. The open field system meant peasants each had their own farm products to sell/eat.

The thing was because each farm strip was separated into different quadrants across the field farmers would work cooperatively to keep fertilizing the soil and often shared their labor/pooled together resources. There was a high level of security as there was no land costs and workers managed the entire field cooperatively. The lord would provide armed security and help organize celebrations. Christmas was a merry time and merchants often gained in trading craft goods for field produce.

Merchants hated capitalism because as the lords rent out their lands to peasant crop holders they got a smaller share of the pie. Peasants violently protested this change because they lost food security/land control and had to work collectively under some capital owner who took all their produce and paid them low wages.

You won't hear this from intellectuals who think capitalism the holy grail of society.

Right.... Well, thankfully, there are plenty of non capitalist choices around the world for you to enjoy, since capitalism is so darned awful and tough. Just think of all of the things we must do without in this nation of excess and fat people as far as the eye can see. Oh wait, that's right. We live pretty damn comfortable lives here, and capitalism is fantastic at delivering the highest standard of living possible to it's people!
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Old 11-16-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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A right to protesting pretty much goes out the figurative window when you do things like this, so why stoop so low?
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Old 11-16-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Right.... Well, thankfully, there are plenty of non capitalist choices around the world for you to enjoy, since capitalism is so darned awful and tough. Just think of all of the things we do without in this country that hosts the largest percentage of fat people anywhere around the world.
I added more in my edited post.

Do you get Peasants protested capitalism violently? So they did have energy to protest being over worked, its just that's not what happened for most of the time.

Independent merchants weren't promoting capitalism, they were happy trading goods and bringing capital from the farms to the towns and vice versa.

Lords who got too greedy and wanted more revenue rented off the land to capitalist peasants who now owned all the labor on the farm and could pay a high rent fee.

Before things were less 'efficient' but workers shared the land and worked cooperatively to keep each strip of crops growing as they were owned by independent workers.

They had power, under capitalism they had nothing.
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