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Old 10-31-2017, 05:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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This, not religion, is the root of why LGBT equality and feminism are so intimidating to conservatives. Conservatives believe men and women are expected to fill specific societal roles and deviation from those expected roles should not be tolerated. This is one of the reason that the 1950s is looked back on as a golden age among many conservatives. Men and women knew their place. Homosexuality was not tolerated and transgenderism was unheard of. It was before the feminist movement and most women stayed home while the man went to work.

In addition to being anti-LGBT and anti-feminist, conservative minded people also tend to be against people who don't conform to what is expected based on their gender. This includes people who partake in activities typically associated with the opposite gender and/or not taking part in activities expected for their gender. Examples are things like housekeeping and cooking for women and sports, cars, and hunting for men.

So why is this issue such a big deal to conservatives?
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:46 PM
 
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This, not religion, is the root of why LGBT equality and feminism are so intimidating to conservatives. Conservatives believe men and women are expected to fill specific societal roles and deviation from those expected roles should not be tolerated. This is one of the reason that the 1950s is looked back on as a golden age among many conservatives. Men and women knew their place. Homosexuality was not tolerated and transgenderism was unheard of. It was before the feminist movement and most women stayed home while the man went to work.

In addition to being anti-LGBT and anti-feminist, conservative minded people also tend to be against people who don't conform to what is expected based on their gender. This includes people who partake in activities typically associated with the opposite gender and/or not taking part in activities expected for their gender. Examples are things like housekeeping and cooking for women and sports, cars, and hunting for men.

So why is this issue such a big deal to conservatives?
Because science shows us that there are two sexes, men and women. Some of these men and women, including myself, are gay, but we are still men and women. There is no such thing as a 'gender-fluid' person, and science shows us that those who believe they are of some other gender are mentally ill.

We can accept and tolerate people and treat them well, but we should not push that as an agenda, just as we should not push obesity as a way of life, as fat advocates are now doing.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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Because science shows us that there are two sexes, men and women. Some of these men and women, including myself, are gay, but we are still men and women. There is no such thing as a 'gender-fluid' person, and science shows us that those who believe they are of some other gender are mentally ill.

We can accept and tolerate people and treat them well, but we should not push that as an agenda, just as we should not push obesity as a way of life, as fat advocates are now doing.
Thank you for cleaning up that mess.

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Apparently, overall, conservatives first shy away from anything new (you can tell that just by their titling themselves "conservatives"), second, tend to be very narrow, and third, tend to like everything as either/or, black/white.

Also, they have a tendency to paranoia, so that they see things - Jews, blacks, gays, women - as threatening to them.
The irony
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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Apparently, overall, conservatives first shy away from anything new (you can tell that just by their titling themselves "conservatives"), second, tend to be very narrow, and third, tend to like everything as either/or, black/white.

Also, they have a tendency to paranoia, so that they see things - Jews, blacks, gays, women - as threatening to them.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:56 PM
 
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Because science shows us that there are two sexes, men and women. Some of these men and women, including myself, are gay, but we are still men and women. There is no such thing as a 'gender-fluid' person, and science shows us that those who believe they are of some other gender are mentally ill.

We can accept and tolerate people and treat them well, but we should not push that as an agenda, just as we should not push obesity as a way of life, as fat advocates are now doing.
That you know of. This is a long video but it shows that what you said, scientifically, is probably not true. There is a case of a young woman who didn't get her cycle and she went in and was tested and biologically she was male. One of the genes flipped and she looked female but had the Y chromosome. It wasn't so long ago that people believe being homosexual was a mental illness. There are still plenty of those around.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT-dZe1SAA0
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:57 PM
 
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This, not religion, is the root of why LGBT equality and feminism are so intimidating to conservatives. Conservatives believe men and women are expected to fill specific societal roles and deviation from those expected roles should not be tolerated. This is one of the reason that the 1950s is looked back on as a golden age among many conservatives. Men and women knew their place. Homosexuality was not tolerated and transgenderism was unheard of. It was before the feminist movement and most women stayed home while the man went to work.

In addition to being anti-LGBT and anti-feminist, conservative minded people also tend to be against people who don't conform to what is expected based on their gender. This includes people who partake in activities typically associated with the opposite gender and/or not taking part in activities expected for their gender. Examples are things like housekeeping and cooking for women and sports, cars, and hunting for men.

So why is this issue such a big deal to conservatives?
This is not much more than your own prejudice, stereo typing and fantasy but don't let that stop you when you do everything possible to bash conservatives on a daily basis. It seems you made it your calling in life.
The truth is, the vast majority of conservatives are not far right wing religious zealots. Some are actually gay themselves. They just don't believe in liberal policies in the same way you do. Please tell one of the many conservative women in this country that they are anti-women. You'll probably get laughed out of the room. Conservative women are home makers as well as CEO's of companies. It depends on what they prefer to do, not what liberals expect them to do.
Most conservatives don't give a rat's behind about who anyone sleep with in bed as long as it's legal. As far as being transgender, many conservatives believe there's a limit to how much the vast majority of people should put up with in order to make a very tiny minority "feel comfortable" when it means sharing a bathroom with the opposite sex.
This is just awful news to you I know.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Because science shows us that there are two sexes, men and women. Some of these men and women, including myself, are gay, but we are still men and women. There is no such thing as a 'gender-fluid' person, and science shows us that those who believe they are of some other gender are mentally ill.

We can accept and tolerate people and treat them well, but we should not push that as an agenda, just as we should not push obesity as a way of life, as fat advocates are now doing.
It goes well beyond that though. Most conservatives oppose LGB rights as well as the T. They support discredited conversion therapy which claims to turn gay people straight. They oppose feminism and they tend to look down on people who don't fall neatly in line with what is traditionally expected for their gender role. For instance, it wasn't until I finally quit going to church and developed a more liberal social circle that I finally stopped being teased for being a guy who doesn't care about football.
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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Conversely, why are liberals so intent on blurring the gender lines?
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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That you know of. This is a long video but it shows that what you said, scientifically, is probably not true. There is a case of a young woman who didn't get her cycle and she went in and was tested and biologically she was male. One of the genes flipped and she looked female but had the Y chromosome. It wasn't so long ago that people believe being homosexual was a mental illness. There are still plenty of those around.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT-dZe1SAA0
I respect you for presenting some sort of evidence, but in science, one small study or example does not satisfy the burden of proof. If we were to see a vast array of studies coming out proving otherwise, I would greatly change my views on this.

It isn't easy being a free thinker, especially as a gay man, considering the overwhelming thinking in leftist circles, which is so largely based on politics and feelings, rather than objective thought. I have been widely blasted throughout my life for my thinking based on facts, so bring it on
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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It goes well beyond that though. Most conservatives oppose LGB rights as well as the T. They support discredited conversion therapy which claims to turn gay people straight. They oppose feminism and they tend to look down on people who don't fall neatly in line with what is traditionally expected for their gender role. For instance, it wasn't until I finally quit going to church and developed a more liberal social circle that I finally stopped being teased for being a guy who doesn't care about football.
I'm sorry, but no, 'most' conservatives do not support the things you mentioned in your post, including conversion therapy. Do some, of course, and that is unfortunate.

You should stop listening to the msm and their rhetoric, which divides us all into neat little ideological groups.
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