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Ariel bombing accuracy was so bad during ww2 that the British bombed the wrong city more than once, moreover many camps were in the Russian zone (Poland)..given the range of ww2 bombers not sure what could be done as the Russians did not allow bombers to land on their territory...
any help would have to be coordinated (money) with Jewish organizations (national level)..in the 1930-40s there existed organizations which supported the formation of Israel and those who favored assimilation..this complicated things as well
propose resolutions in support of helping the European jews would become entangled with radical Zionism which supported the future Israeli state above all others and yes even at the expense of the holocaust eventual victims..Politics is not so simple and cut and dried as good/bad
when i think of seeing people in "context of their time" I am reminded that Napoleons victims were simply planted in a nameless hole and buried..while 100 years later the ww1 victims received many little milestone like markers (headstones) yes we are very slowly becoming more humane
Maybe. But they didn't serve during a time that six million Jews were massacred for their religion, so it's impossible to know the extent of their antisemitism. FDR most definitely allowed it to go on, and as jbgusa noted, there were several steps he could have taken - with little effort - to help mitigate the horror and save hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives. He did not. Instead, he has been reported to have said that he didn't want more Jews in the U.S., and he was so determined to block even one more Jewish soul from stepping foot on American soil that....well.....you know about the St. Louis. It is amazing how Jews, in light of that well-reported event, STILL managed to consider FDR a wonderful president.
Again. Far Left Progressive thought trumps Judaism. FDR made government larger, more intrusive, more controlling, and set up the welfare state we have now. For whatever reason Jewish Progressives and other Democrats TRUST BIG GOVERNMENT when in every point in history they've been abused, murdered, and enslaved by big government. I don't understand this blind trust of government. It is often just a legalized MOB.
FDR was the greatest president of the twentieth century. As an American I revere the help that he gave those who were desperate to help themselves. Through the CCC he saved millions from starvation. The National Recovery Act saved millions more. FDR was called a traitor to his class because he gave desperate Americans help.
I've heard other things as to why we didn't do enough to help the Jews during the war. There were complaints that we didn't focus on the railways that were taking Jews to the camps. Hey buddy we had our hands full with the Germans. We were losing a dozen bomber crews a day once we were flying out of England.
How do we know that this boatload of people were not thought of as bolsheviks. During the Depression union leaders and other labor agitators were called Reds. Roosevelt didn't only have the Japanese, Germans, British, French, and Italians to worry about, he had our own upper class that would have liked to see him dead much earlier.
When people like Jay Winik tear down people that have managed to get their faces on American coins, the rest of us Americans resent that they dredged up these facts and judged great Americans by later standards and probably out of correct context.
Exactly - the US Army Air Force along with the RAF, Canadians etc bombed Germany night and day during the latter years of WW2, and what was not destoyed by allied air power was destroyed by Soviet Artillery.
Dresden was a major railway centre involved in taking Jews to the camps as were other targets, and I have never seen any reason for apologising for targeting Dresden.
As for Israel, FDR was close to Churchill and Britain had changed it's mind on the establishment of an Israeli homeland due to increasing terroriust attacks from both sides in relation to the Palestine Mandate. Britain wanted further negotiatons with the Palestinians rather than a forced Palestinian paritition which could bring generations of unrest and trouble.
FDR would have been aware of this, although Truman later ignored Britain, whilst Britain became the only state not to vote in favour of the creation of an Israeli state, instead absraining from the vote.
Finally it was FDR who was supportive of Britain's war time efforts and who helped supply the war effort before Pearl Harbour brought the US in to the war. FDR and Churchill had a very good working relationship, as for the Jews Stalin's purges sadly killed many more. It was Uncle Joe that was the real anti-isemite not FDR.
FDR is fondly remembered in the UK, there is the Roosevelt Memorial and a statue of FDR on a bench with Churchill on Bond Street, there is also a statue of Eisenhower in his military uniform.
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The answer is simple - all historical figures need to be looked at in the context of their time.
Period.
In the big picture, Democracy and self-determination were his goals...as well as fairness (inside our nation) to all. If not for FDR Israel might not exist...the Arabs and Nazis were buddies.
Hey....aren't you the one who keeps saying you're partly Jewish? And now you're posting that FDR was not anti-Semitic, even in light of all the evidence posted here? Thanks for proving the point: that liberal Jews (or even half-Jews) deny Democrats' antisemitism - even someone as blatant as FDR - because they give more weight to liberalism.
If those of the Jewish faith supported FDR way back when, I have always assumed that they had their reasons. It is odd to claim, 80 years later, that they were fools.
If those of the Jewish faith supported FDR way back when, I have always assumed that they had their reasons. It is odd to claim, 80 years later, that they were fools.
Nobody called them fools. What's being pointed out is that their liberalism trumped concern about FDR's antisemitism - and THAT was their reason. It's pertinent as I see the same dynamic played at today.
Nobody called them fools. What's being pointed out is that their liberalism trumped concern about FDR's antisemitism - and THAT was their reason. It's pertinent as I see the same dynamic played at today.
So how many Republicans at the time were championing for increased Jewish refugees? You make it seem like American Jews had a choice between "liberalism" and Judaism and most choice the former.
Non Jewish white liberals will and are voting against their own self interest too. They want to hand over the country lock, stock and barrel to anyone foreign and not white and hand away all our rights, freedom and autonomy. I'm not sure how or why Jewish self-interest differs from white self interest, but if they differ or counter it's hard to ally. What I do is know most conservative Protestants see Jews favorably as the chosen people and are very pro-Israel.
Jews don’t believe in the Rapture, Jesus, or the book of Revelation though. Republican Israel policy is driven almost entirely by evangelical Christian beliefs on the End Times. They “support” Israel just so Jesus can come back to Jerusalem and kill all the nonbelievers, including most Jews who aren’t part of the 144,000.
So how many Republicans at the time were championing for increased Jewish refugees? You make it seem like American Jews had a choice between "liberalism" and Judaism and most choice the former.
Oye. Another liberal comes aboard to deflect with "what about Republicans?" The thread question is why were (and are) Jews holding up FDR as a hero despite his blatant antisemitism? To say, "the other side is worse", even if true, does not justifying the glorification and admiration of FDR given his refusal to save Jewish lives, which he easily could have done.
Jews don’t believe in the Rapture, Jesus, or the book of Revelation though. Republican Israel policy is driven almost entirely by evangelical Christian beliefs on the End Times. They “support” Israel just so Jesus can come back to Jerusalem and kill all the nonbelievers, including most Jews who aren’t part of the 144,000.
Yeah, that's true. But you know what? I'd rather have evangelical Christians supporting Israel for false reasons than liberals throwing Israel under the bus for false reasons.
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