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Originally Posted by Oldglory
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Originally Posted by Oldglory Why do minorities view the GOP as bigoted, racists? There is nothing to back that up except for them believing the propaganda of the Democrats. Give me one good example that makes the GOP those things. It's more like they object to the GOP because they aren't the party of socialism. Let's be honest here.
Significance: Although the territory of the United States was originally settled in ancient times by the Asian ancestors of modern Native Americans, European immigrants of the seventeenth through early twentieth centuries dominated the landscape and brought with them the culture and institutions to which other modern immigrants have had to adapt.
Okay, lets be --- how many undocumented European Immigrants have been placed (with or without legal representation) in dentition centers and or deported by ICE?
"European immigration has continued into the first decade of the twenty-first century, when Europeans were still making up between 15 and 20 percent of the immigrants admitted to the United States. This pattern appeared likely to continue into the foreseeable future." (from my link)
It has already been established that people (who have arrived by air, water, or land) are living here illegally if they are not here by invitation --- it has also been established that there are 11 million undocumented migrants in the u.s. (i'm not going to google, for this part) People are going to try and tell me with straight face, that all of those 11 million people are Hispanic? and White folks wait for an invitation? [they didn't wait for one before, why would they do it now]
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Originally Posted by pandorafan5687
I recently attended a seminar and one statement that I obtained from that event is that an estimated 25% of Chinese and Koreans are here illegally. Many of them stay well past the three months that they can stay w/o a green card.
Are they being held in detention centers and/or a part of ICE raids? Are we not talking about voting interests, as well?
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 01-12-2020 at 01:39 PM..
Reason: picked up the wrong post in debate
Yes we do on some level. Even if we are thinking about a greater good...we are motivate (to some extent) by our own well-being. It’s not “selfish” to care about your well-being.
That is true. Even when thinking of the greater good, one's own well being will come into account. But at the end of the day, a voter is going to think about which candidate will help them the most or which policies are in their own favor. Said person is going ask "does this policy serve me". There are cases where a politician has policies that will help everyone. However, there are things that poiltician has done that will hurt YOU. For instance, there might be a policy regarding debt. That politician might have good ideas, but if said politician has been known for voter suppression, I won't support said politician. My ability to vote is more important to me.
That is true. Even when thinking of the greater good, one's own well being will come into account. But at the end of the day, a voter is going to think about which candidate will help them the most or which policies are in their own favor. Said person is going ask "does this policy serve me". There are cases where a politician has policies that will help everyone. However, there are things that poiltician has done that will hurt YOU. For instance, there might be a policy regarding debt. That politician might have good ideas, but if said politician has been known for voter suppression, I won't support said politician. My ability to vote is more important to me.
I think it kind of goes back to the whole "birds of a feather [typically] flock together" statement. People GENERALLY do look out for those who they have a common background, belief system, etc with. Even if they do show concern for everyone else. They generally do prioritize themselves.
Personal attack? No. You use that towards anyone who doesn't agree with you 100%.
Really, provide examples of that. Where have I called anyone a supremacist or racist in here? I'll wait. You are just making excuses for calling me a white supremacist now to cover your own arse.
I think it kind of goes back to the whole "birds of a feather [typically] flock together" statement. People GENERALLY do look out for those who they have a common background, belief system, etc with. Even if they do show concern for everyone else. They generally do prioritize themselves.
Some people do and some don't so stop generalizing. It is selfish to vote for things that only benefit you and your race instead of our citizenry and country as a whole. I'm not one of those yet I get call a white supremacist? Look in the mirror instead!
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Why do minorities view the GOP as bigoted, racists? There is nothing to back that up except for them believing the propaganda of the Democrats. Give me one good example that makes the GOP those things. It's more like they object to the GOP because they aren't the party of socialism. Let's be honest here.
Significance: Although the territory of the United States was originally settled in ancient times by the Asian ancestors of modern Native Americans, European immigrants of the seventeenth through early twentieth centuries dominated the landscape and brought with them the culture and institutions to which other modern immigrants have had to adapt.
Okay, lets be --- how many undocumented European Immigrants have been placed (with or without legal representation) in dentition centers and or deported by ICE?
"European immigration has continued into the first decade of the twenty-first century, when Europeans were still making up between 15 and 20 percent of the immigrants admitted to the United States. This pattern appeared likely to continue into the foreseeable future." (from my link)
It has already been established that people (who have arrived by air, water, or land) are living here illegally if they are not here by invitation --- it has also been established that there are 11 million undocumented migrants in the u.s. (i'm not going to google, for this part) People are going to try and tell me with straight face, that all of those 11 million people are Hispanic? and White folks wait for an invitation? [they didn't wait for one before, why would they do it now]
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Originally Posted by pandorafan5687
I recently attended a seminar and one statement that I obtained from that event is that an estimated 25% of Chinese and Koreans are here illegally. Many of them stay well past the three months that they can stay w/o a green card.
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
Are they being held in detention centers and/or a part of ICE raids? Are we not talking about voting interests, as well?
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Originally Posted by pandorafan5687
If I recall, we were talking about voting interest in general. I was just sharing that information based on a question that you recently asked.
Okay, the question I put in bold, yes?
Now I'll answer the question I asked above, are they being held in detention centers ... ?
"Lakshmi Sridaran, the co-executive director of South Asian Americans Leading Together (SAALT), an organisation based in Takoma Park, Maryland, hopes to use this attention to build a network of legal support that can be mustered to respond not just to Sunday's raids but to any future ICE operations in the long-term."
So I gather from that article, yes they are being held, deported and/or even if they have legal status to stay --- they are being harassed as well.
I didn't read that article, so I don't know why some of them gave Trump their vote, but they typically vote Democrat.
oldglory asked a question, beyond that of propaganda
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Why do minorities view the GOP as bigoted, racists?
I believe I have answered it. It's called, what people experience that is not based on propaganda, they lived through it and when they link that experience back to a particular body of politics --- they make their choice. That's my take on it. When people overall, see an apparent attack on certain people, where as, other certain people are being left alone --- and all people fit into the category and the GOP has their hand in it --- not that hard really to figure out, waz up.
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Look in the mirror instead!
