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Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong IF Trump made aid based on a quid pro quo?
Think about it: Biden bragged about doing it--we've seen the video of him bragging that he got a prosecutor fired. No one seemed to care.
You may say Biden is a political rival. Is he? Biden is not running for President. He's running for the nomination. Until the primaries are over and he has secured the nomination, he's not running against Trump. They are not in the same party, so they are not running against each other.
Fact is, we know that his son DID receive favors and made a lot of money. And we know that his daddy was the veep.
All nonsensical.
Biden got a crooked prosecutor fired who refused to investigate corruption.
Hunter Biden is guilty of using nepotism to get a job that he wasn’t qualified for...something that’s ROUTINE in America for the children of the powerful and wealthy.
A quid pro quo isn’t wrong in and of itself. It’s wrong in Trump’s case because he held up congressional approved aid for 55 days in order to coerce the aid recipient to launch an investigation of his potential political rival...a rival that was killing Trump in early polling.
it's the basis for all foreign aid. We give you this and you agree to do that. We've been participating in quid pro quo since before the Revolutionary War.
No president before Trump that we know of used the quid pro quo for PERSONAL GAIN!
So a foreign nation with a long history of government corruption can refuse to help us investigate our own corrupt politicians and still get our tax dollars?
Can Biden do whatever he wants with impunity as long as he is running for president?
So you advocate for tax payer money to be used as leverage and bargaining to get foreign governments to investigate OUR political opponents that would possibly benefit only those in charge?
Don't you think it a possibility that if we go down that road, anything those in charge want will be found?
How do we trust what is found?
Desperate people will find anything wanted to get aid.
That doesn't really matter though does it now?
Trump thought he was/is and decided to engage in illegal activity.
What will be funnier is if Biden isn't the nominee and Trump still gets Impeached.
The man is capable of screwing up a wet dream.
So you advocate for tax payer money to be used as leverage and bargaining to get foreign governments to investigate OUR political opponents that would possibly benefit only those in charge?
Don't you think it a possibility that if we go down that road, anything those in charge want will be found?
How do we trust what is found?
Desperate people will find anything wanted to get aid.
No one told Biden to run a pay for play scheme in the Ukraine with his coke-head son.
Tough ***** if being held accountable for what he did makes him look bad.
quid pro quo itself is not wrong, it mean this for that. What is illegal is someone bribing someone else for personal gain. Trump wanted the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into Biden to help him personally in the election. The quid pro quo is needed to prove bribery.
Trump is the president. Everything a president does is for "personal gain". Only one person is president so it can't be any other way. Get over it.
Bill Clinton ordered the military to launch millions of dollars worth of cruise missiles into the desert to distract the country from his impeachment testimony. You can't get any more personal than that.
So - from the starting point of "Nothing resembling a quid pro quo was suggested" we moved to "a quid pro quo was suggested, but never happened" and we have now arrived at "OK, so there was in fact a quid pro quo, but is that really, when you think about, wrong?"
No pride. No decency. No capacity for shame. Just unwavering, slavish loyalty.
You get it. It's the same play book used on the Mueller report. It worked once, lets hope it doesn't work this time.
Biden SHOULD be investigated. We know that. The question is if it would benefit Trump personally. Trump isn't running against Biden, though.
Which Biden are we talking about re: investigation?
If it's Joe, there is absolutely NO reason for Ukraine to "investigate" him. He has never, to the best of my knowledge, fallen under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian justice system at all.
Trump could easily start a DoJ based investigation into Joe Biden. He instead chose to try to strong arm Ukraine into doing it. Why is that, do you think?
Which Biden are we talking about re: investigation?
If it's Joe, there is absolutely NO reason for Ukraine to "investigate" him. He has never, to the best of my knowledge, fallen under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian justice system at all.
Trump could easily start a DoJ based investigation into Joe Biden. He instead chose to try to strong arm Ukraine into doing it. Why is that, do you think?
Did he? I don't know if he did. You don't know. We've heard the party that has been trying to impeach him for 3 years claim he did. But we don't know.
Having said that, if Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukraine into firing a prosecutor, and then strong-armed them into hiring his son, why wouldn't that be worthy of investigation?
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You get it. It's the same play book used on the Mueller report. It worked once, lets hope it doesn't work this time.
