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View Poll Results: Will the House Democrats call a vote to officially impeach President Trump based on what we have see
Yes 86 68.25%
No 40 31.75%
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Well they COULD have been like the Dems and invented and orchestrated a 2 1/2 year hoax on the American people.
An "investigation" and a "hoax" are two different things. Obama was certainly investigated, as was Trump.

If any criminal wrongdoing by Obama had been found, I would have been the first one in line to say he has to go. But then again, no one had any reason to have to try to provide cover for him. Trump needs all the help he can get.

 
Old 11-22-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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An "investigation" and a "hoax" are two different things. Obama was certainly investigated, as was Trump.

If any criminal wrongdoing by Obama had been found, I would have been the first one in line to say he has to go. But then again, no one had any reason to have to try to provide cover for him. Trump needs all the help he can get.
I'm with you on this. If Obama, Clinton, whoever is found guilty -- then lock them up.

I'm not so personally invested in any of the politicians to feel like I lose if Obama is found guilty of a crime. HE's found guilty --- then lock him up.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 12:48 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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$50K/mo is $600K a year, not $1M.

How did Hunter get placed on the Board of AMTRAK when he had no experience in running a railroad?
Ask Ivanka and Jared.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
An "investigation" and a "hoax" are two different things. Obama was certainly investigated, as was Trump.

If any criminal wrongdoing by Obama had been found, I would have been the first one in line to say he has to go. But then again, no one had any reason to have to try to provide cover for him. Trump needs all the help he can get.
Regardless of any apparent reason to " cover him ", he was protected by the media, as was Hillary, and most of the time, Dems in general.

Since the day Trump came down that escalator , it was no holds barred, search every nook and cranny,any how and any where to get something, anything to stop him. When So MANY people are out of sorts, are against a person and start the avalanche of negativity and continue, that tells you he is on to something.

And his Election and subsequent time line in Office have delivered the Proof. It isn't a conspiracy theory to visualize what is going on, and that he truly represents a threat to the robber barons and plunderers that have placed themselves as the Ruling Class of America.

And when nothing could be found, it had to be created. That's the Hoax. And the Democrats and the Liberal news media allow two of the perpetrators of the Hoax to actually sit in judgment during these Dog and Pony Shows.

" Evidence in plain sight" " Trump is a Russian Agent. That's what the duet of Adam and Eric and they were singing lies for over 2 years. And they have the nerve to sit in those chairs and question the foreign affairs policies and practices of the POTUS ? Disgraceful. Shameful.

That's the real " threat to Democracy " Not the POTUS. that two outright lying THUGS have positioned themselves in the seat of power , all the time hoodwinking and conning the American people. And the rest of the Dems are guilty enablers.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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Joe Biden used US aid money as leverage to fire the prosecutor investigating the employer of his son. That all by itself was unethical, it looks corrupt, and it deserves to be scrutinized because it illustrates a distinct conflict of interest.
This is incorrect.

First of all, the owner of the gas company was Zlochevsky, and he had been identified for money laundering and graft connected with his work in the government as Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources. It was not the company, but the owner who had been identified as a crook. Being the crook he is, I assume that among other things he used his position in the government to seize control of the gas company.

After that, Hunter Biden and others were added to the board of the Burisma gas company. Wikipedia indicates that Biden's consulting firm was initially brought in to institute best practices, and he was subsequently offered a place on the board. The optics are bad, and I don't know why he accepted it (aside from what I assume is good old fashioned American lust for easy money), but he did.

The prosecutor in question, Shokin, removed in part due to Joe Biden's efforts, was actually not prosecuting either Zlochevsky, the Burisma company or members of the board. Although investigated, it is not even clear that there was anything illegal going on at the time with the company. No specific charge of wrongdoing was ever raised by either the Ukrainian government or Rudy Giuliani or anyone else as far as I know. Before or after Shokin's removal.

Separately, Shokin was basically bottling up any action against many corrupt companies and individuals, probably being paid off by multiple bad actors. That's why he was removed, at the insistence of several countries who were trying to assist Ukraine. The Ukrainian legislature finally agreed and he was out.

There was no need to remove Shokin to protect Hunter Biden, because there actually was no investigation at all. Ironically, the way to 'protect' Hunter Biden (had that been in any way necessary) would have been to leave Shokin in place.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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The "high moral ground" is truth period. Trump has directed House-subpoena recipients to ignore the subpoenas. That he may believe the impeachment hearings to be unfair isn't a sufficient reason IMHO.
Adam Schiff lied to the American public for months on end that he had evidence the President was in collusion with Russians.

You expect a sham impeachment hearing he is conducting to yield truth? That's rich.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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Regardless of any apparent reason to " cover him ", he was protected by the media, as was Hillary, and most of the time, Dems in general.

Since the day Trump came down that escalator , it was no holds barred, search every nook and cranny,any how and any where to get something, anything to stop him. When So MANY people are out of sorts, are against a person and start the avalanche of negativity and continue, that tells you he is on to something.

And his Election and subsequent time line in Office have delivered the Proof. It isn't a conspiracy theory to visualize what is going on, and that he truly represents a threat to the robber barons and plunderers that have placed themselves as the Ruling Class of America.

And when nothing could be found, it had to be created. That's the Hoax. And the Democrats and the Liberal news media allow two of the perpetrators of the Hoax to actually sit in judgment during these Dog and Pony Shows.

" Evidence in plain sight" " Trump is a Russian Agent. That's what the duet of Adam and Eric and they were singing lies for over 2 years. And they have the nerve to sit in those chairs and question the foreign affairs policies and practices of the POTUS ? Disgraceful. Shameful.

That's the real " threat to Democracy " Not the POTUS. that two outright lying THUGS have positioned themselves in the seat of power , all the time hoodwinking and conning the American people. And the rest of the Dems are guilty enablers.
Exactly.

Democrats should sit up and take notice of what their elected reps are doing to this country.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by Fuele View Post
Regardless of any apparent reason to " cover him ", he was protected by the media, as was Hillary, and most of the time, Dems in general.

Since the day Trump came down that escalator , it was no holds barred, search every nook and cranny,any how and any where to get something, anything to stop him. When So MANY people are out of sorts, are against a person and start the avalanche of negativity and continue, that tells you he is on to something.

And his Election and subsequent time line in Office have delivered the Proof. It isn't a conspiracy theory to visualize what is going on, and that he truly represents a threat to the robber barons and plunderers that have placed themselves as the Ruling Class of America.

And when nothing could be found, it had to be created. That's the Hoax. And the Democrats and the Liberal news media allow two of the perpetrators of the Hoax to actually sit in judgment during these Dog and Pony Shows.

" Evidence in plain sight" " Trump is a Russian Agent. That's what the duet of Adam and Eric and they were singing lies for over 2 years. And they have the nerve to sit in those chairs and question the foreign affairs policies and practices of the POTUS ? Disgraceful. Shameful.

That's the real " threat to Democracy " Not the POTUS. that two outright lying THUGS have positioned themselves in the seat of power , all the time hoodwinking and conning the American people. And the rest of the Dems are guilty enablers.
In other words, they reported the news factually.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Originally Posted by Fuele View Post
Regardless of any apparent reason to " cover him ", he was protected by the media, as was Hillary, and most of the time, Dems in general.

Since the day Trump came down that escalator , it was no holds barred, search every nook and cranny,any how and any where to get something, anything to stop him. When So MANY people are out of sorts, are against a person and start the avalanche of negativity and continue, that tells you he is on to something.

And his Election and subsequent time line in Office have delivered the Proof. It isn't a conspiracy theory to visualize what is going on, and that he truly represents a threat to the robber barons and plunderers that have placed themselves as the Ruling Class of America.

And when nothing could be found, it had to be created. That's the Hoax. And the Democrats and the Liberal news media allow two of the perpetrators of the Hoax to actually sit in judgment during these Dog and Pony Shows.

" Evidence in plain sight" " Trump is a Russian Agent. That's what the duet of Adam and Eric and they were singing lies for over 2 years. And they have the nerve to sit in those chairs and question the foreign affairs policies and practices of the POTUS ? Disgraceful. Shameful.

That's the real " threat to Democracy " Not the POTUS. that two outright lying THUGS have positioned themselves in the seat of power , all the time hoodwinking and conning the American people. And the rest of the Dems are guilty enablers.
Democrats will do anything to stop Trump? You're damn right they will. They will do anything to stop a power mad dictator who is also a Russian puppet that is using the Ukraine as a pawn to further his personal political agenda. Even though the Democrats will fail, they are doing the right thing.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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No, it's not. All 17 agencies concurred with the analysis. Not all 17 agencies participated in the analysis.
You're just making that up. They did not concur, and the New York Times, Brennan, and Clapper said as much.
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