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So Oregon Supreme Court has recently ruled that Oregon Police officers cannot ask routine questions in a random traffic stop. That instead, the questions must only pertain to why the person was pulled over.
"The decision stems from the case of Mario Arreola-Botello, who was pulled over by a Beaverton Police officer in 2015 for failing to signal a turn. Arreola-Botello consented to a search of his car, leading officers to discover a package of methamphetamine on the floor. Arreola-Botello’s attorney, Joshua Crowther, argued the search of his car was unconstitutional because it was spawned by questions that went outside the scope of what police should be allowed to ask during a routine traffic stop."
What do you all think? I honestly think its ridiculous that Mario Arreola's attorney was able to argue that case ---when the guy had meth in his car. wth? How is it unreasonable for an officer to ask if there are drugs and guns inside the vehicle?
How is it ridiculous?
In which way do you think that the presence of guns or drugs in the vehicle affected his ability to signal a turn?
If you can provide a reasonable explanation that is relevant to the driving offense you might have an argument. If its "just because..." it's not relevant to the cause of the stop.
I applaud this action, I have dealt with this kind of thing firsthand, the cop used the traffic stop as an excuse, he was suspicious we had drugs in the car, that is what he was interested in!
I watched 2 cops threaten and intimidate a girl in her early 20s over this!! Telling her they can take her to jail right now if they wanted to do, but it would be better if she complied and told the truth...cops lie in order to force people to do something they would not otherwise do.
They were also very interested in where we were coming from and why, where we were going after, etc. What right do they have to ask those questions? NONE!
Bad decision. It makes people dependent on government. Why didn't this person just exercise her Constitutional rights and say no you can't? Because she is ignorant and like a child can't learn?
And yes they do have a right to ask those questions. It's protected by our 2nd amendment. That amendment isn't there to force people to do something, to tell the truth. It's put in place because one is allowed to say controversial things. Like blacks should be able to marry whites.
We fight the individuals who are violating our trust and we don't need that kind of protection from the benevolent hand of government. Give up freedom for security and you'll get neither.
So now cops can't do it, but when they do guess what will happen to the cop? I'm sure you know the answer. The tax payers will pay the penalty and the cop will walk free.
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In which way do you think that the presence of guns or drugs in the vehicle affected his ability to signal a turn?
If you can provide a reasonable explanation that is relevant to the driving offense you might have an argument. If its "just because..." it's not relevant to the cause of the stop.
You do know that this is the verbal equivalent of stop and frisk........right?
Yes, but just because police ask you, doesn't mean you have to answer. Yes, these traffic stops are often FISHING EXPEDITIONS for other crimes. DUI, drug and weapons possession, or whatever else they can get you do divulge or use an excuse to search your vehicle.
Police can make any excuse to stop your vehicle. "You crossed the center line of the road briefly, have you been drinking?" Your tail light looked out. Your brake light looked out, etc. The Police want to get you into the judicial system for $$$. Fines, fees, court costs, lawyer costs and others sustain and grow their bureaucracy. The police have been told by their management to generate revenue and get you into the system.
So Oregon Supreme Court has recently ruled that Oregon Police officers cannot ask routine questions in a random traffic stop. That instead, the questions must only pertain to why the person was pulled over.
"The decision stems from the case of Mario Arreola-Botello, who was pulled over by a Beaverton Police officer in 2015 for failing to signal a turn. Arreola-Botello consented to a search of his car, leading officers to discover a package of methamphetamine on the floor. Arreola-Botello’s attorney, Joshua Crowther, argued the search of his car was unconstitutional because it was spawned by questions that went outside the scope of what police should be allowed to ask during a routine traffic stop."
What do you all think? I honestly think its ridiculous that Mario Arreola's attorney was able to argue that case ---when the guy had meth in his car. wth? How is it unreasonable for an officer to ask if there are drugs and guns inside the vehicle?
May 5, 2019 - A police officer was fatally shot during a routine traffic stop in Mooresville, North Carolina, late Saturday, and the suspect later killed himself, the police department said. K-9 Officer Jordan Harris Sheldon, 32, was transported to a hospital, but died from his injuries ...
Of course places like Oregon don't care about the lives of their policemen!
When you limit police powers to be proactive in crime control you are inviting the proliferation of crime which has already occurred since BLM
Yes. This reminds me of when there were massive riots in Baltimore, with lowlife scum setting cars on fire and destroy small business property. The liberal mayor, trying to appease the scumbags, told police to stand down and give them "space to destroy."
Shortly after that, the mayor instructed police to be "less aggressive" when dealing with lowlifes, and so, the police held back. What happened? The city became even more of a crime-ridden slum, and pretty soon, the people were back to asking for police to do their jobs.
Many people have very strong feelings about being searched, especially without probable cause and they don’t necessarily identify as liberal.
Eh. I wouldn't be crazy about it, but I would comply. All he'd find is my messy trunk - and maybe the source of that odd tuna smell I've noticed the past couple of days. Honest people with nothing to hide would just go along with it, and it's time liberals - and Oregon is one of the worst states - stop with all their anti-police, pro-criminal attitudes. Believe me, when Sanders stood up on the debate stage and announced how he will stand with lawbreakers (illegal aliens), that doesn't warm the hearts of normal citizens.
Bad decision. It makes people dependent on government. Why didn't this person just exercise her Constitutional rights and say no you can't? Because she is ignorant and like a child can't learn?
And yes they do have a right to ask those questions. It's protected by our 2nd amendment. That amendment isn't there to force people to do something, to tell the truth. It's put in place because one is allowed to say controversial things. Like blacks should be able to marry whites.
We fight the individuals who are violating our trust and we don't need that kind of protection from the benevolent hand of government. Give up freedom for security and you'll get neither.
So now cops can't do it, but when they do guess what will happen to the cop? I'm sure you know the answer. The tax payers will pay the penalty and the cop will walk free.
cops suspect drugs in the car? Just say no to the search and wait for the K-9 which will be called to find the drugs. that's the way it works.... lmao
Totally, it's just fishing for people who don't know their rights.
Which leads folks like me to choose to never converse with cops in any capacity, because I just might say something that is incriminating (relevant to the question or not), so don't say anything.
It makes cops jobs harder in the long run, because they can't be trusted to stick to the purpose of any conversation.
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