Who was responsible for meddling in the 2016 election: Ukraine or Russia? (Iran, Israel)
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A both option would be a cop out. The GOP is pointing to Ukraine, not Russia. The intelligence community says it is unequivocally Russia.
You have to chose.
In other words who is right the GOP or the intelligence community.
(As an aside, why a nation at war battling for its existence, Ukraine, with its neighbor, Russia, would have the desire or the time to meddle in US affairs boggles rationality)
By only giving the two option you are creating a “black-and-white fallacy,” an “either-or fallacy,” a “false dichotomy,” or a “bifurcation fallacy,” take your choice of the term. You are limiting the options to two when there are in fact more options to choose from. This is a situation where there are choices between one thing, the other thing, both things together since they don’t exclude each other, or neither thing.
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He did not say that. As I said the GOP has not mentioned that it was both. They say it was Ukraine. Who do you believe. A both option is a deflection. It is either/or.
However, I can see your point, if you have the power if you wish to add a both option please add it.
I did. However, people already voted in the double digits, and (surprise, surprise) it was all for the “Russia only” option since very few people deny Russia did engage in election interference. Most of those you think Ukraine interfered believe it was a case of both doing it. What they may disagree with you about is the real target of Russian interference. Like Dr. Fiona Hill, I think the real target was American democracy and the Office of the President, not Clinton or Trump.
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Rather straightforward poll. The answer should be easy to all those whose heads are not up their backsides, but decided to see how it comes out in a poll.
The answer to "whose head is up their backside" is in the OP's mirror.
Trump's election was a result of the Democratic Party's continued degeneration into a collection of spoiled misfits conditioned into expecting too much by manipulation of the lowest-common-denominator media. That train-wreck-to-be was, in turn, hijacked by a clique of self-appointed elitists who think that they alone know what's best for all of us.
Some of us saw through it all; my vote went to Johnson, not Trump. I don't feel insecure over a Gabbard, Buttigieg or Yang slipping in via the back roads of the real America; my principal concern is keeping Warren, Harris, Clinton, Biden and the rest of the rubbish OUT.
Sooner or later, time and Mother Nature will end the show for all of us (on an individual, not a collective basis -- that alarmism is strictly for the tree-huggers), but in the meantime, sit back, have another drink, and watch the juggernaut go by.
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And Politico, the NY Times, and the NY Times reporter who wrote both stories (links at the website, below) say...
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"Both Politico and the Times defended the reporter’s work, and Vogel told The Washington Post on Friday: “Not a single fact in either story has been successfully challenged."
A both option would be a cop out. The GOP is pointing to Ukraine, not Russia. The intelligence community says it is unequivocally Russia.
You have to chose.
In other words who is right the GOP or the intelligence community.
(As an aside, why a nation at war battling for its existence, Ukraine, with its neighbor, Russia, would have the desire or the time to meddle in US affairs boggles rationality)
This is asking the impossible of you ---- stop and think for a minute.
The Ukraine-Russia war is exactly why Ukraine Did meddle in the election. They had Trump, a potential Putin puppet who criticized NATO and was unpredictable vs. Clinton, whose Russia reset failed, despised and was despised by Putin, and loved regime change and 'smart power.' Why wouldn't they meddle to hurt Trump.
Anti-Trumpers and Russiaphobes won't care, but open-minded people might be interested in how The Nation, a left publication, described the Ukraine interference in the election:
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