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View Poll Results: Who was responsible for meddling in the 2016 Election: Ukraine or Russia?
Russia only 66 58.93%
Ukraine only 2 1.79%
Both 28 25.00%
Neither 16 14.29%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-25-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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Why would the intelligence community only point to Russia and not the Ukraine in their assessment that only Russia meddled in 2016? What did the intelligence community have to gain by lying or covering up about Ukrainian involvement? What did Fiona Hill have to gain?
Cover for Hillary and the DNC. Why else do you think the DNC wouldn't turn their server over to the FBI? And just look at everything that's being uncovered now. Durham is conducting a criminal investigation and indictments are impending.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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If the Ukraine had any role in the 2016 election, it was at the behest of Russia. Ukraine had zero incentive to interfere; Russia has Putin.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:35 AM
 
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Better poll would be:

Who was responsible in 2016 for Securing and Overseeing the election against outside meddling from any country.

1. Obama
2. Trump

I say #1.

Keep in mind. Russia invaded eastern Ukraine, picked off Crimea, and shot an airliner out of the sky killing hundreds of civilians *WHILE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT*

Why did Obama not do more? Must be something with that flexibility he promised Vlad.
Who exactly was in Bed with Putin and the Russians?

I say #1 above.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:39 AM
 
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Both:

The Russians for Trump without his direct knowledge, Ukraine for Clinton with her direct knowledge.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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If the Ukraine had any role in the 2016 election, it was at the behest of Russia. Ukraine had zero incentive to interfere; Russia has Putin.
ukraine had 'zero incentive'? don't be silly.
trump was proposing improved relations with Russia.

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Two weeks later, the Financial Times did a story about Ukraine’s takedown of Manafort, including quotes from Leshchenko and Western analysts. “The prospect of Mr Trump, who has praised Ukraine’s arch-enemy Vladimir Putin, becoming leader of the country’s biggest ally,†it began, “has spurred not just Mr Leshchenko but Kiev’s wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before: intervene, however indirectly, in a US election.â€

“Mr Leshchenko and other political actors in Kiev say they will continue their efforts to prevent a candidate…from reaching the summit of American political power,†the story went on.
^ from the previously posted The Nation link^
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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Better poll would be:

Who was responsible in 2016 for Securing and Overseeing the election against outside meddling from any country.

1. Obama
2. Trump

I say #1.

Keep in mind. Russia invaded eastern Ukraine, picked off Crimea, and shot an airliner out of the sky killing hundreds of civilians *WHILE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT*

Why did Obama not do more? Must be something with that flexibility he promised Vlad.
Who exactly was in Bed with Putin and the Russians?

I say #1 above.

I am actually going to agree with you, in part anyway.


Obama was weak and feckless in the face of Russian aggression and election interference.


However, Obama did not encourage it like Trump did.
Obama and the Democrats did not benefit from it.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It was Russia, but of course the Russians would want us to think it was Ukraine, or both. Sadly many in US have bought this lie.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Rather straightforward poll. The answer should be easy to all those whose heads are not up their backsides, but decided to see how it comes out in a poll.
Democrats and their Deep State miinders engaged both Ukraine and Russia to meddle in our election.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Interesting to note that at this point 95% of respondents agree that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.

That is progress.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Rather straightforward poll. The answer should be easy to all those whose heads are not up their backsides, but decided to see how it comes out in a poll.

Don't forget China, Britain, Italy, Australia, Yugoslavia...... besides Russia & Ukraine.


Alexandria Chalupa. DNC's link to the Ukraine dirt finding mission.
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