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Old 11-25-2019, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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The reason I posted is to reveal that the movement towards impeachment was direct incontrovertible testimony and evidence.

His senior staff HR Haldeman John Dean and others testified direct knowledge of conversations with Nixon where he was aware of the burglary, attempted to cover it up, and paid the men who did the crime hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep quiet.

There were tapes, letters and conversations where all people agreed he had committed crimes.

There is nothing similar in the testimony in house against the POTUS now.
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Old 11-25-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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There is nothing similar in the testimony in house against the POTUS now.
That evidence exists but the Trump administration refuses to release it to Congress and they are ordering key personnel to not testify. Trump can't have it both ways. He can't suppress evidence and witnesses and then claim there's no evidence and all of the testimony is not first hand.

Congress has the full right to impeach Trump right now on just obstruction alone, both from what Mueller found and what he's done on Ukraine.
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Old 11-25-2019, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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That evidence exists but the Trump administration refuses to release it to Congress and they are ordering key personnel to not testify. Trump can't have it both ways. He can't suppress evidence and witnesses and then claim there's no evidence and all of the testimony is not first hand.

Congress has the full right to impeach Trump right now on just obstruction alone, both from what Mueller found and what he's done on Ukraine.
Actually, they do not.

Meuller found zip

the HOR found zip.

No smoking gun
No Tape
No email
No tweet
Nothing.
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Old 11-25-2019, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Actually they found plenty.

Mueller said there are 10 instances of obstruction of Justice.

House found enough to list Articles of Impeachment, being written as we post.

Smoking gun turns out to be Sondland and the 3rd admission of a Quid Pro Quo.

Emails from witnesses are damaging to Trump's defense.

Tweets, come on now, so many they overlap.
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Old 11-25-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Actually they found plenty.

Mueller said there are 10 instances of obstruction of Justice.

House found enough to list Articles of Impeachment, being written as we post.

Smoking gun turns out to be Sondland and the 3rd admission of a Quid Pro Quo.

Emails from witnesses are damaging to Trump's defense.

Tweets, come on now, so many they overlap.
Some things don't change.
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:04 PM
 
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Well my young friend that is the way it happened. Nothing even comes close now. Show me a video where Sondland first hand testimony of Bribery.


We are all waiting.
Well my young friend, this impeachment inquiry is proceeding along the same line as the one against Nixon. It was only the bombshell that there were tape recordings in the Oval Office that broke the case wide open in the Nixon impeachment inquiry. So far Trump has successfully obstructed the Congress by not allowing his cabinet to testify. This will be resolved one way or the other by SCOTUS.

Also, back in the day Republicans in Congress and the Senate had honor and would put country over party. That doesn’t exist today.
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Well my young friend, this impeachment inquiry is proceeding along the same line as the one against Nixon. It was only the bombshell that there were tape recordings in the Oval Office that broke the case wide open in the Nixon impeachment inquiry. So far Trump has successfully obstructed the Congress by not allowing his cabinet to testify. This will be resolved one way or the other by SCOTUS.

Also, back in the day Republicans in Congress and the Senate had honor and would put country over party. That doesn’t exist today.
list the evidence which you think is similar. Evidence.
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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list the evidence which you think is similar. Evidence.
1. One dozen witnesses have stated in swore testimony that Trump wanted Quid Pro Quo in order to release the weapons already provided by congress to Ukraine. One dozen witnesses are not going to jeopardize their career and reputation by lying.

2. There’s an established timeline that shows the weapons were only released after the whistleblower made it known that the weapons were held up until President Z agreed to investigate the Biden’s.

3. Trump is obstructing Congress by not allowing his cabinet to testify. Trump is obstructing Congress by storing his conversation with President Z in a Top Secret encryption device and not releasing the conversation to the investigation committee.
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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[quote=TomC23;56723737]1. One dozen witnesses have stated in swore testimony that Trump wanted Quid Pro Quo in order to release the weapons already provided by congress to Ukraine. One dozen witnesses are not going to jeopardize their career and reputation by lying.

2. There’s an established timeline that shows the weapons were only released after the whistleblower made it known that the weapons were held up until President Z agreed to investigate the Biden’s.

3. Trump is obstructing Congress by not allowing his cabinet to testify. Trump is obstructing Congress by storing his conversation with President Z in a Top Secret encryption device and not releasing the conversation to the investigation committee.[/QUOTE

Post the videos of the witnesses who testified before the House.

Congress released the funds, not the President.

Trump has a legal obligation to protect private conversations with world leaders....

I'll be impressed if you can post just one video of one witness who supports your post.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Absurd post.

Sondland provided first hand testimony of the bribery.

Conditioning official acts on receiving something of value personally is out of bounds.

The even more direct witnesses were blocked by the POTUS.
Sondland provided first hand knowledge of his presumptions, that's all he did.

Sondland said it was clear to him and others that the aid was tied to Trump’s desire for an announcement of investigations by Ukraine. But when pressed during the testimony, Sondland admitted that this was just a presumption on his part. But he went around repeating his presumptions as if they were fact. This is how we get whistleblowers with thirds hand information, they hear people's presumptions. They speculate what they think might be going on, and then gossip behind the president's back. Instead of being a man of integrity, and seeking clarification from the president, before they backstab him

Sondland faces wrath for ‘made up’ testimony, admits ‘no one on this planet’ told him Trump’s orders, he ‘presumed’

“After you testified, Chairman Schiff ran out and gave a press conference and said he gets to impeach the president of the United States because of your testimony and if you pull up CNN today, right now their banner says, ‘Sondland ties Trump to withholding aid,'” Turner said. “Is that your testimony today, Ambassador Sondland? That you have evidence that Donald Trump tied the investigations to the aid because I don’t think you’re saying that?”

Sondland answered by saying he is “presuming” the aid was connected to the investigations.

“No one on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying this aid to the investigations?” Turner then asked. “Because if your answer is yes then the chairman is wrong and the headline on CNN is wrong.”

Asking the question again, Sondland was forced to answer “yes,” no one has ever directly told him that Ukraine aid was tied to investigations, a statement that rips apart Dems’ conspiracy theories.

“So you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations?” Turner asked.

“Other than my own presumption,” a defeated Sondland answered.

“Which is nothing,” Turner quickly responded. “That’s what I don’t understand. So you know what hearsay evidence is, ambassador? Hearsay is when I testify about what someone else told me. Do you know what made-up testimony is? Made-up testimony is when I just presume it. I mean, you’re just assuming all of these things.”

“You do not have any evidence that the president of the United States was tied to withholding aid from Ukraine in exchange for investigations,” Turner said with his final seconds.
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