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Old 11-26-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Nearly every business operation is nothing more than a series of repetitive processes to produce a predictable outcome, certainly not unique to manufacturing.

Technology has eliminated job functions in all employment sectors.

I am not remotely a Neo Luddite.
Not sure on the tangent you've gone on. Automation replaces and creates jobs. Offshoring , outsourcing eliminates them, except for the low cost country they head to.
We did not lose millions of manufacturing jobs due to automation, we lost them due to relocation....to another country. Do we not see middle classes emerging in countries where there wasn't one ? That alone tells you that they are reaping the benefits of the industries we gave away.
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thank your hero, Bill Clinton (the father of NAFTA and China trade policy) for this.


Democrats decry the state of US manufacturing, but supported (and still support) policies which killed it.
Do you mean the NAFTA crafted/ negotiated during the Reagan Admin and ceremoniously signed by Bush 1, subject to approval by Congress. The NAFTA championed by then Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, that was subsequently approved by most Republicans? That NAFTA?

Are you referring to making China’s status as one of 170+/- MFNs that was conditionally restored 20 years prior to becoming permanent in late 2000? Are you referring to the legislation supported by most Republicans? The legislation Bush 2 would have signed in a heartbeat, has Clinton dragged his feet?

Not a whole lot of daylight between the two parties.
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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One can argue all they want and try to place the blame on this party or that, but the trend of offshoring started in the '70's , and we can thank GE and it's CEO Jack Walsh. He not only pushed his company to embrace it, but also pushed it's suppliers to do the same. That was the first hole in the damn...
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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Are you referring to making China’s status as one of 170+/- MFNs that was conditionally restored 20 years prior to becoming permanent in late 2000? Are you referring to the legislation supported by most Republicans? The legislation Bush 2 would have signed in a heartbeat, has Clinton dragged his feet?

Not a whole lot of daylight between the two parties.

Globalization and unfettered free trade has been a priority project of the "republocrat" duopoly since at least WW2. As is said, "politics stops at the water's edge."
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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NAFTA Bush and TPP Bobobo did a lot of damage to the longer term prospects of the U.S. They are both middle management who work for occulted globalists intent on deindustrializing America. Their plan is China is to be the New World Order model.
I think it's funny you mention NAFTA but not the president that signed it into law.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Conservatives voters as a whole are the biggest scam artists in America. Every one of them has something to say about offshoring jobs bc it's the talking point they were taught to regurgitate.

Once you bring up that strong unions would have the power to counter executives offshoring jobs and keep those jobs in America... Silence.

Conservatives don't care about doing things to help Americans. They like to b***h about problems bc indignation is better than solutions.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:47 PM
 
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Conservatives voters as a whole are the biggest scam artists in America. Every one of them has something to say about offshoring jobs bc it's the talking point they were taught to regurgitate.

Once you bring up that strong unions would have the power to counter executives offshoring jobs and keep those jobs in America... Silence.

Conservatives don't care about doing things to help Americans. They like to b***h about problems bc indignation is better than solutions.
Not a Union hater here, I actually support them. Without Unions our wages would be way lower than what they are now. I would like to know how a Union can counter a company from offshoring ? Unions certainly had zero effect on GM sending their new Blazer down to MX to be assembled.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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Conservatives voters as a whole are the biggest scam artists in America. Every one of them has something to say about offshoring jobs bc it's the talking point they were taught to regurgitate.

Once you bring up that strong unions would have the power to counter executives offshoring jobs and keep those jobs in America... Silence.

Conservatives don't care about doing things to help Americans. They like to b***h about problems bc indignation is better than solutions.



I am a conservative voter. I care about doing things that help Americans. Strong unions may help some workers but they also hurt many Americans through higher costs, increased regulations and political influence. They do not represent a free market which is what I support. I can argue they create more problems than they solve. Govt. is the biggest union of them all. Study the way money is created, how it flows, who gets what, and what gets supported. Follow the money. Frankly it is probably too late to fix our system no matter what anyone says.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Conservatives voters as a whole are the biggest scam artists in America. Every one of them has something to say about offshoring jobs bc it's the talking point they were taught to regurgitate.

Once you bring up that strong unions would have the power to counter executives offshoring jobs and keep those jobs in America... Silence.

Conservatives don't care about doing things to help Americans. They like to b***h about problems bc indignation is better than solutions.


Unions exist for their own benefit.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Not a Union hater here, I actually support them. Without Unions our wages would be way lower than what they are now. I would like to know how a Union can counter a company from offshoring ? Unions certainly had zero effect on GM sending their new Blazer down to MX to be assembled.
Look at the article I posted above. Unions are constantly dictating acceptable terms for worker as part of the contract negotiations, including where jobs and plants are opened, what jobs can get filled by foreign workers or offshored. The entire purpose of the union is to secure jobs and your complaint is about the lack of job security.

If you backed unions, you'd give them the power to actually hire American workers and not H1B1 visa applicants. You'd give them the power to set the terms for where new factories and plants are opened and how many union workers to fill the openings. You'd give them the power to make sure that companies hired legal workers and not the undocumented ones you say are stealing our jobs.

FFS it's not a coincidence that the abandonment of union support in blue collar industries mirrors the offshoring pace in those same industries.
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