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Oh yes, thousands of dirt poor Guatemalans are causing California's housing shortage and high cost of living. Man, I see swarms of Guatemalans snapping up $800,000 houses and $3,500 per month apartments, they really are. Guatemalans and Hondurans come here with fistfulls of cash and they drive out the gringos, I see it all the time.
Nonsense. Arizona is the Best state in the Union by far.
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Yeah, wonderful like a California with all its problems but without the nice weather or coastal advantage.
Weather here is wonderful and we don’t need a coast. We can drive to an ocean in Mexico only 3-4 hours across the border.
And all states are chock full of problems. Big deal.
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You gotta admit is a pretty ingenious plan and even more impressive that they’re pulling it off.
Brainwash the majority of the population of the country’s largest state, then flood it with illegals, which in turn spreads the brainwashed across other parts of the country like a plague.
I try not to think about it. I’ve got plenty of money and will escape to greener pastures if it all blows up.
Everyone on CD is loaded.
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There are lots of reasons for Arizona turning blue. Many conservatives are upset with the direction of Arizona.
Arizona is a state with a sizable Hispanic population. Conservatives have yet to make real in-roads with Hispanics. In a presidential election, the candidate who did best with Hispanics was George W. Bush, getting 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. Trump 2016 was better than Romney 2012 with Hispanics.
Invading Californians and Illinois residents have moved Arizona to the left as well.
Additionally, some Arizona Republicans have been a joke. John McCain was censured by the AZ Republican Party. I perceived John McCain as a RINO. His vote on the healthcare repeal was traitorous. His performance in the 2008 Election was pathetic. Trump was 100% right to assert that he was not a war hero, because he was not a war hero. Heroes do not captured. Jeff Flake was also pathetic as a senator. He held up the Kavanaugh nomination. He was very anti-Trump. He was a weak man and a flip flopper. He was a typical flake.
The 2018 Senate election in AZ was an embarrassment for Republicans.
You nailed it.
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It's a red state for the most part, it's not going blue any time soon.
This state hasn’t been red in over a decade. That game is over.
When Maricopa turns blue this day will be the beginning of the end of the Republican party in the state, that's what happened here in Colorado.
Yes, this shift is happening in several parts of the country, as many of those who made mistakes in their voting in 2016, are now becoming "woke" to the consequences.
Arizona is going blue and the right Dem can win the presidency here next year. But AZ blue is not New York blue. There is still a strong fiscal conservative - Goldwater conservative strain that is popular here as in most of the mountain west. People here don't want big DC government, but they do want improved healthcare (that is what cost McSally the election), they worry about climate change and our deserts and forest ecosystems, education matters more and more with the growing younger population. AZ blue believes in the right to choose but thinks there are limits to that.
The big divider that drove our politics for the last 20 years allowing people like Arpaio (upon whom I swear Trump based his approach) to hold such sway is over. AZ is not nearly in a lather about immigration issues as the midwest. Arpaio was crushed in the last election, and the calm and professional democrat that beat him is a breath of fresh air. The US should pay attention, there. We went through the growing pains - the transition. We have come to grips with a large Hispanic population and overall it has been a benefit to our economy and enriched our culture. There is hardly a person in the cities of Arizona who does not have Hispanic friends, neighbors, co-workers and even family members. A candidate can no longer get enough votes running on immigration to win.
People here don't want big DC government, but they do want improved healthcare (that is what cost McSally the election), they worry about climate change and our deserts and forest ecosystems, education matters more and more with the growing younger population.
McSally got appointed to a Senate seat after her embarrassment of a performance against Sinema. Many conservatives are very concerned about a 2nd McSally loss in 2020.
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My guess is Texas is not far behind.
Many conservatives are more concerned about what's going on in Texas than in Arizona. Mitt Romey won Texas by 16% in 2012, and he was a weak candidate. In 2016, Trump only won Texas by 9.2%. Con man Robert O'Rourke came within 2.7% of defeating the generally unlikable Ted Cruz. However, Governor Greg Abbott was re-elected by 10%+. It's not easy to tell how blue Texas is going, but it is getting more blue. Donald Trump is not a popular person in Texas.
There is some similarity between Texas and Arizona, but it would be a stretch to say that Arizona is a smaller version of Texas. Both are border states and have large Hispanic populations. Both have large cities and wide expanses of open spaces. Arizona attracts more retirees. Texas has a stronger business inclination with more corporate HQs.
McSally got appointed to a Senate seat after her embarrassment of a performance against Sinema. Many conservatives are very concerned about a 2nd McSally loss in 2020.
Many conservatives are more concerned about what's going on in Texas than in Arizona. Mitt Romey won Texas by 16% in 2012, and he was a weak candidate. In 2016, Trump only won Texas by 9.2%. Con man Robert O'Rourke came within 2.7% of defeating the generally unlikable Ted Cruz. However, Governor Greg Abbott was re-elected by 10%+. It's not easy to tell how blue Texas is going, but it is getting more blue. Donald Trump is not a popular person in Texas.
There is some similarity between Texas and Arizona, but it would be a stretch to say that Arizona is a smaller version of Texas. Both are border states and have large Hispanic populations. Both have large cities and wide expanses of open spaces. Arizona attracts more retirees. Texas has a stronger business inclination with more corporate HQs.
Arizona is going blue and the right Dem can win the presidency here next year. But AZ blue is not New York blue. There is still a strong fiscal conservative - Goldwater conservative strain that is popular here as in most of the mountain west. People here don't want big DC government, but they do want improved healthcare (that is what cost McSally the election), they worry about climate change and our deserts and forest ecosystems, education matters more and more with the growing younger population. AZ blue believes in the right to choose but thinks there are limits to that.
The big divider that drove our politics for the last 20 years allowing people like Arpaio (upon whom I swear Trump based his approach) to hold such sway is over. AZ is not nearly in a lather about immigration issues as the midwest. Arpaio was crushed in the last election, and the calm and professional democrat that beat him is a breath of fresh air. The US should pay attention, there. We went through the growing pains - the transition. We have come to grips with a large Hispanic population and overall it has been a benefit to our economy and enriched our culture. There is hardly a person in the cities of Arizona who does not have Hispanic friends, neighbors, co-workers and even family members. A candidate can no longer get enough votes running on immigration to win.
Another thing is I think Arizona voting to legalize recreational marijuana next year will help drive turnout for the Democrats.
That has nothing to do with this thread. This state is becoming ocean blue. One referendum on immigration isn’t an indicator that refutes that truth.
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