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Old 01-01-2020, 08:59 AM
 
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No it isn't just that. It's that white people would get much lower sentences for basically the same drug. Cocaine. If you don't think that 20 years or life instead of 2 is a big deal, I don't know what to say. Black men were targeted to be removed from their lives permanently while whites could go home and rebuild.
I'm ready to receive lots of objection to the next comment.
Perhaps it is a matter of learning from one's mistakes instead of being so eager to repeat them.

Just as whites tend to do that with their ongoing liberal hopes of changing blacks who are not in and will never be part of the middle to upper class, many black men that have committed major crimes will get out, wash and repeat. Of course, there are reasons for this - mainly the ongoing "racial inferiority system" which will remain almost invisibly weaved into society. White men especially have the greatest chance of success, no matter what crimes they commit because they are always considered as valuable members of society.

 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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I'm ready to receive lots of objection to the next comment.
Perhaps it is a matter of learning from one's mistakes instead of being so eager to repeat them.

Just as whites tend to do that with their ongoing liberal hopes of changing blacks who are not in and will never be part of the middle to upper class, many black men that have committed major crimes will get out, wash and repeat. Of course, there are reasons for this - mainly the ongoing "racial inferiority system" which will remain almost invisibly weaved into society. White men especially have the greatest chance of success, no matter what crimes they commit because they are always considered as valuable members of society.
The last statement is very true. White men are, for the most part considered to be valuable members of society. There are some exceptions of course, but overall, they are forgiven much quicker. Black men on the other hand not so much.

It’s Time We Talk About America’s Inability To Forgive Black Men

Let me say that I'm not on Michael Vick's team, but we as black people are expected to forgive a cop who shoots a man in his own apartment (then gaslighted and shamed if we refuse) at the same time, NOT expected to forgive someone for dog fighting. Again, I don't condone it and I'm not on Vick's team but the hypocrisy is real.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Can I ask why that is? I do see the GOP as being just as intolerant as the far right when it comes to dissenting opinions.
There are several reasons why I believe GOP are just progressives. For one progressivism is a huge authoritarian movement. It is about using the power of government to create a society that you feel that aligns with your morally. Today’s GOP is almost 90% about social conservatism. And social conservatism is all about using the government to enforce what you feel is your brand of morality on others.

Leftist progressives are much the same. They have a strong sense of morality, and feel that the government needs to step in and enforce their view of morality.

With that said the GOP also believe in a strong social safety net, and they support some brand of government economic intervention. The GOP was already a joke in terms of fiscal conservatism before Trump. But after Trump, the GOP are unapologetically on the left economically. You can’t be anti-free trade and still be a fiscal conservative. It goes against the very fundamentals of captialism.

And with that said, there is more and more anti-capitalist rhetoric in the GOP these days. Mostly because it’s being hijacked by the alt-right. And the alt-right has always been a socialist movement.




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I wouldn't say that I advocate for illegal immigration, but I don't think it's priority on my list for problems. I also reject the idea that it's messing things up for black people anymore than other social problems. In fact, I would say that I'm more concerned about Asians who open up their businesses in black communities when they don't trust black people.


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It seems like it. I eyeball any of these movements that are solely about "getting blacks off the democratic plantation."
Again, it’s just more partisan hack nonsense. There isn’t anything special or transcendent about the movement at all. I see it as more of a vanity project for Candace Owens than anything. Mostly because she’s loves attention and is a complete narcissist. The movement has no meat behind it, because it’s not saying anything that hasn’t already been said before, and has been said better at that.


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When it comes to schools, I like the idea of black people infiltrating public schools systems to have more say in the education or starting their own private school systems.


The government is not a good educator, and is not interested in educating anyone. That is why we just need to abolish the public school system. It only existed to educate people to be workers in factories during the industrial revolution. It’s completely out of date. And because many blacks are poverty, they suffer the most from this sort of education. That is why privatizing would be better.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jencam View Post
No it isn't just that. It's that white people would get much lower sentences for basically the same drug. Cocaine. If you don't think that 20 years or life instead of 2 is a big deal, I don't know what to say. Black men were targeted to be removed from their lives permanently while whites could go home and rebuild.

The other part of that equation is that cocaine and heroin did become a tidal wave into black areas in the late 60s and early 70s by magic. It wasn't black people doing, nor was it Mexicans.


There was proven CIA involvement to push drugs into black urban areas at the same time there was political pressure (with unwitting collusion of black politicians) to increase penalties for the specific types of cocaine and heroin that was being pushed into the urban areas.


Don't underestimate the amount of skullduggery that the government was committing against black liberation and enterprise during the latter 60s and into the 70s.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:34 AM
 
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The last statement is very true. White men are, for the most part considered to be valuable members of society. There are some exceptions of course, but overall, they are forgiven much quicker. Black men on the other hand not so much.

It’s Time We Talk About America’s Inability To Forgive Black Men

Let me say that I'm not on Michael Vick's team, but we as black people are expected to forgive a cop who shoots a man in his own apartment (then gaslighted and shamed if we refuse) at the same time, NOT expected to forgive someone for dog fighting. Again, I don't condone it and I'm not on Vick's team but the hypocrisy is real.

America never actually releases anyone from prison. Most states and businesses continue legal restrictions that will keep most out of conventional ways of regaining (or gaining) earning potential.


White men still have a network support system (that substantial relative or family friend) that gets them over the legal barriers unless they're coming from the lowest income levels.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:35 AM
 
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There are several reasons why I believe GOP are just progressives. For one progressivism is a huge authoritarian movement. It is about using the power of government to create a society that you feel that aligns with your morally. Today’s GOP is almost 90% about social conservatism. And social conservatism is all about using the government to enforce what you feel is your brand of morality on others.

Leftist progressives are much the same. They have a strong sense of morality, and feel that the government needs to step in and enforce their view of morality.

With that said the GOP also believe in a strong social safety net, and they support some brand of government economic intervention. The GOP was already a joke in terms of fiscal conservatism before Trump. But after Trump, the GOP are unapologetically on the left economically. You can’t be anti-free trade and still be a fiscal conservative. It goes against the very fundamentals of captialism.

And with that said, there is more and more anti-capitalist rhetoric in the GOP these days. Mostly because it’s being hijacked by the alt-right. And the alt-right has always been a socialist movement.

Again, it’s just more partisan hack nonsense. There isn’t anything special or transcendent about the movement at all. I see it as more of a vanity project for Candace Owens than anything. Mostly because she’s loves attention and is a complete narcissist. The movement has no meat behind it, because it’s not saying anything that hasn’t already been said before, and has been said better at that.


The government is not a good educator, and is not interested in educating anyone. That is why we just need to abolish the public school system. It only existed to educate people to be workers in factories during the industrial revolution. It’s completely out of date. And because many blacks are poverty, they suffer the most from this sort of education. That is why privatizing would be better.
This is one of the most accurate posts I've seen here in a long time. I will disagree somewhat with the last paragraph though. It really doesn't matter if the education is public or private. If people are not interested and motivated to learn, no form of education will make a difference.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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America never actually releases anyone from prison. Most states and businesses continue legal restrictions that will keep most out of conventional ways of regaining (or gaining) earning potential.


White men still have a network support system (that substantial relative or family friend) that gets them over the legal barriers unless they're coming from the lowest income levels.
White men, even at the lowest income levels, can get by quite well because they will have an assortment of things (not a college degree, not experience, not cash on hand) but other things about them that are useful and of value to someone else. Same is true for most white women.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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Originally Posted by branh0913 View Post
There are several reasons why I believe GOP are just progressives. For one progressivism is a huge authoritarian movement. It is about using the power of government to create a society that you feel that aligns with your morally. Today’s GOP is almost 90% about social conservatism. And social conservatism is all about using the government to enforce what you feel is your brand of morality on others.

Leftist progressives are much the same. They have a strong sense of morality, and feel that the government needs to step in and enforce their view of morality.

With that said the GOP also believe in a strong social safety net, and they support some brand of government economic intervention. The GOP was already a joke in terms of fiscal conservatism before Trump. But after Trump, the GOP are unapologetically on the left economically. You can’t be anti-free trade and still be a fiscal conservative. It goes against the very fundamentals of captialism.

And with that said, there is more and more anti-capitalist rhetoric in the GOP these days. Mostly because it’s being hijacked by the alt-right. And the alt-right has always been a socialist movement.










Again, it’s just more partisan hack nonsense. There isn’t anything special or transcendent about the movement at all. I see it as more of a vanity project for Candace Owens than anything. Mostly because she’s loves attention and is a complete narcissist. The movement has no meat behind it, because it’s not saying anything that hasn’t already been said before, and has been said better at that.






The government is not a good educator, and is not interested in educating anyone. That is why we just need to abolish the public school system. It only existed to educate people to be workers in factories during the industrial revolution. It’s completely out of date. And because many blacks are poverty, they suffer the most from this sort of education. That is why privatizing would be better.
So in the event that this were to happen, what could be done about the costs? Private school costs money and not all have the funds for tuition.

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Old 01-01-2020, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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So in the even't that this were to happen, what could be done about the costs? Private school costs money and not all have the funds for tuition.

Nothing needs to be done about cost. The market will provide the most reasonable price. Because public schools don’t compete in the market, we never actually think about cost. But if you have several schools competing for the dollars of people, then then business will adjust their pricing structure to keep attendance. The bottom line is that schools are now competing to stay in business. And they have to have a quality product or else parents will take their kids to a competing school.
 
Old 01-01-2020, 10:25 AM
 
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Nothing needs to be done about cost. The market will provide the most reasonable price. Because public schools don’t compete in the market, we never actually think about cost. But if you have several schools competing for the dollars of people, then then business will adjust their pricing structure to keep attendance. The bottom line is that schools are now competing to stay in business. And they have to have a quality product or else parents will take their kids to a competing school.
Same thing was thought about the housing market before it collapsed. It is difficult to adjust any market around people who are not likely to have any sort of stable income.
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