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Old 11-29-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Obama did well for himself only. During his term he lost over 1000 Democrat seats in congress and though-out the country combined. And then because people were so fed up with Democrats we now have President Trump.
In the first election since Trump, 295 Republican seats in congress and throughout the country were lost to Democrats and six state legislatures were switched (7 now with Virginia) . The number is all the more remarkable because of the gerrymandering that has taken place since 2008. Suburban districts saw the greatest losses for Republicans. I guess people are fed up with Republicans and Trump by your logic.

I do agree with the poster above who points out that the suburbs of today are not the same demographically as those of Reagan's time. They are far more diverse. So is America and it is getting more and more diverse with each passing day. The GOP is on the wrong side of the wave here and will either change it's approach or be out of power for decades.

 
Old 11-29-2019, 08:23 PM
 
Location: California
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What? Republican suburbs love Trump because they hated actual Republicans, which is why it was hard to justify voting for them
 
Old 11-29-2019, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Young liberals tend to grow conservative once they have families and become more responsible.

The old folks you're talking about were teenagers in the 60's and quite liberal back then.
This assumes that people choose to have families at the same rate as the past. Also in my area, the responsible parents understand the importance of adequate funding for public schools, which is an important factor in the reason why my liberal area has some of the best public schools in the nation. They accept the responsibility that things need to be funded and I accept the responsibility to fund the schools, despite not having kids, because I recognize that proper school funding is essential for a healthy society. See how responsibility works....
 
Old 11-29-2019, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Camaro5 View Post
It's not really going to matter because the Dems don't have a single candidate that is worth voting for. Nobody, especially suburban voters, don't want the higher taxes that would come with a leftist socialist agenda. Most suburban voters are fairly stable with jobs, health insurance, and a decent income. They don't want socialized medicine or open borders.

The Dems haven't learned that people vote with their wallets. Faced with the prospect of those wallets getting lighter under a Democrat, voting for Trump (again) won't seem so bad, even if they don't care for his brash personality.
While I don't agree entirely the way you framed it, I think this is a cogent, plausible argument as to how Trump might hold the suburban vote in 2020. The Democrats that won in swing districts in the Congressional races in 2018 were largely moderates who ran moderate campaigns.

Not clear at all how 2020 will turn out if the Democrats run a more left campaign which it appears likely at this point.

I did not and will not vote for Trump ever....not even for dog catcher.

That said, I think as an incumbent with a good economy at his back he has the home field advantage. At least that is how I think the Democratic party should be approaching the 2020 election.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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For decades, there was an unvaried rhythm to life in America’s suburbs: Carpool in the morning, watch sports on weekends, barbecue in the summer, vote Republican in November.

Then came President Trump.

The orderly subdivisions and kid-friendly communities that ring the nation’s cities have become a deathtrap for Republicans, as college-educated and upper-income women flee the party in droves, costing the GOP its House majority and sapping the party’s strength in state capitals and local governments nationwide.

As one Republican in Arizona put it, the GOP has gone from defending conservative principles like free trade and a muscular stance against Russia and North Korea to defending Trump’s latest Tweets.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...n-women-voters

The GOP has a choice here--defend Trump or defend the traditional Republican party platform. It seems they are choosing the former. And that leaves many Republicans with no party to support.

The self-inflicted doom these republicans are suffering is reminiscent of the actions of a chicken with its head cut off. It's as though they have no alternative but to continue supporting the corrupt current administration. I'm skeptical about how many of them in the suburbs are actually leaving the party, but I would hope it's true. It's also the only hope that they have.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Well, the people of Orange County, California, long a Republican stronghold, voted out their Republican Congresscritters in 2018. Seems like they begged to differ with your assessment.
Lou Cannon, the longtime documentor of California politics and biographer of Reagan recalled a story that a state senator from Orange County told him in the 1960s.

"He said he joined the John Birch Society because he wanted to get the middle-of-the-road vote in Orange County," referencing the ultraconservative group that had a large presence in Orange County at the time. Cannon was joking a bit but the point is that O.C. was staunch GOP territory for decades.

But Orange County's vote in 2020 won't matter in the Electoral College. There are suburban places in swing states where it will matter.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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They got him now!

What I don't get is why democrats want to see Trump removed from office when everyone in the media agrees that Trump has zero change of winning in 2020 even losing to Maxine Waters?

Well, if you believe the polls anyway.

Polls no longer work because a growing number of people, me included, will give pollsters a 100% wrong answer whenever I am asked.
If a pollster asked me if I supported Trump's removal from office I would strongly support removal. Anything to screw them up.
Seems foolish to waste your time lying to a pollster. Just hang up the phone if you don't want to participate.

The biggest reason for the challenges facing public opinion polling are because response rates have declined dramatically since the 80's. Has nothing to do with you lying to a few pollsters.

Again, a well conducted poll offers a lot of insight into the electorate. That is a public good in my view. As "what the fox" said, we shouldn't be afraid of facts, data, etc.
 
Old 11-30-2019, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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But Orange County's vote in 2020 won't matter in the Electoral College. There are suburban places in swing states where it will matter.
Orange County's vote in 2020 may not matter in the Electoral College (presidential - given that California is overwhelmingly Blue) but it matters in terms of Congressional representation.

But yes - suburban votes in swing states do matter - such as Pennsylvania's Main Line communities, which were long Republican leaning, but it's been trending away from that in recent years.
 
Old 11-30-2019, 12:41 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Trump has turned the suburbs into a GOP disaster zone. Does that doom his reelection?


6,374th prediction by the liberals of disaster for Trump, the GOP, or both, in the last three years.

Remind me again, how many times have they been right?
 
Old 11-30-2019, 02:17 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Well, the people of Orange County, California, long a Republican stronghold, voted out their Republican Congresscritters in 2018. Seems like they begged to differ with your assessment.
The same happened to one Republican Congresscritter of Oklahoma County.
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