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Old 11-29-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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The OP’s link is a known source of fake news and promoter of conspiracy theories unrelated to natural foods.
Natural News is more than natural foods. Can you cite a link for any problem with what Mike Adams reports?
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Old 11-29-2019, 03:06 PM
 
Location: DFW
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OP left out the most important part of this bill which is in red below. This is a proposed bill and most proposals don't pass.

This law is specific to Civil Disorder and Paramilitary. Below is the proposed bill with red font for the parts that OP "forgot" to include.

Bill Tracking - 2020 session > Legislation

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.
A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder;

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
So they also want to ban your freedom of speech and to assemble.
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Old 11-29-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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My home state, a once solid red and wonderful place to live, has gone off the deep end as it turns bright blue. This proposed law will be put before the state senate in January of 2020..

The law says that a person “is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity” (a class 5 felony) if that person:
“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons.


https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-11-...tion-sb64.html

I will be curious to see how this plays out. It goes along with a proposed gun ban that 21 counties have already pledged to not enforce........could it be the beginning of the next Revolutionary War...? And is this coming soon to a state near you...?
Jerry Piddington taught me karate when I was a kid back in 1973 at his studio in Richmond Virginia. Glad I got my training in before it becomes illegal.
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Old 11-29-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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forgetting for the moment it violates the right to free association, the verbage is completely subjective and open to interpretation by enforcement agencies.
Exactly. The added verbiage didnt make the law more palatable.
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Old 11-29-2019, 04:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sware2cod View Post
OP left out the most important part of this bill which is in red below. This is a proposed bill and most proposals don't pass.

This law is specific to Civil Disorder and Paramilitary. Below is the proposed bill with red font for the parts that OP "forgot" to include.

Bill Tracking - 2020 session > Legislation

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.
A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, ormaking of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder;

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more personswith the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
You have it wrong. Parts 1 and 2 are Already the law. The proposed bill adds part 3. For or against, that's the proposed bill, part 3.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Woody01 View Post
My home state, a once solid red and wonderful place to live, has gone off the deep end as it turns bright blue. This proposed law will be put before the state senate in January of 2020..

The law says that a person “is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity” (a class 5 felony) if that person:
“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons.


I will be curious to see how this plays out. It goes along with a proposed gun ban that 21 counties have already pledged to not enforce........could it be the beginning of the next Revolutionary War...? And is this coming soon to a state near you...?
Your title line is very misleading. I hope you know that "martial arts" usually refers to things like judo, karate, and kung fu?
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Originally Posted by Woody01 View Post
My home state, a once solid red and wonderful place to live, has gone off the deep end as it turns bright blue. This proposed law will be put before the state senate in January of 2020..

The law says that a person “is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity” (a class 5 felony) if that person:
“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons.


https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-11-...tion-sb64.html

I will be curious to see how this plays out. It goes along with a proposed gun ban that 21 counties have already pledged to not enforce........could it be the beginning of the next Revolutionary War...? And is this coming soon to a state near you...?

My following comments are presented as though the term, "martial arts" in the thread title is used according to its correct meaning, involving hand-to-hand combat. No firearms, explosives or knives involved.

I'd like to see the promoters of this absurd law give even one example where anyone with martial arts training committed an act of violence against another person, that wasn't in self-defense or in the defense of someone else. When you take instruction in martial arts, you also are schooled in the ethics that require you to use your skills only to serve good purposes.
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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My following comments are presented as though the term, "martial arts" in the thread title is used according to its correct meaning, involving hand-to-hand combat. No firearms, explosives or knives involved.

I'd like to see the promoters of this absurd law give even one example where anyone with martial arts training committed an act of violence against another person, that wasn't in self-defense or in the defense of someone else. When you take instruction in martial arts, you also are schooled in the ethics that require you to use your skills only to serve good purposes.
Will Virginia allow this:

"US self-defence expert banned from entering UK"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18002220
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Old 11-30-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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When you take instruction in martial arts, you also are schooled in the ethics that require you to use your skills only to serve good purposes.
Exactly....
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Old 11-30-2019, 09:26 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The key phrase in the bill is "intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder". I should think normal self-defense training would still be allowed.
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