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Old 12-02-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Fiona Hill was quite clear that this Ukraine theory was Russian propaganda and should not be repeated, period. She is Trumps own selection as an expert on Russia, we should listen to her.


Kennedy threw out several news sources but was short on specifics, he could have quoted one or two articles with their authors, This seems evasive. Point me to one of his articles and I would gladly read it.
Once again, it's Russian propaganda to claim that the official government policy of Ukraine was to meddle in the US election.

It is not propaganda that the Ukraine court indicted citizens in Ukraine for meddling in our election.

Read a few of those links that Kennedy referenced. No one is claiming that the meddling in the US 2016 presidential election was some kind of official policy by the Ukraine government.


Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - Politico

Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - New York Times

Did Ukraine try to interfere in the 2016 election on Clinton's behalf? - CBS News

The Full Scope of Ukraine’s Impact on the 2016 Election Has Yet to Be Examined - The Nation
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You are the one deflecting to Wasserman and the FBI. You made the reference to CowdStrike, what was your point. If that company is so bad why is the RNC contracting them for 2020.
It's not that Crowdstrike is nefarious in some way.

The point people are making is that the DNC claims it was hacked by a foreign hacker, and the DNC denied access to our own FBI, to the computers and servers at the DNC. Election hacking is a US government concern, and yet Obama's FBI was satisfied being denied access to investigate the hack.

That was very odd indeed for the DNC to deny the FBI access. Why wasn't our FBI allowed to investigate a hack into the DNC?
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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It's not that Crowdstrike is nefarious in some way.

The point people are making is that the DNC claims it was hacked by a foreign hacker, and the DNC denied access to our own FBI, to the computers and servers at the DNC. Election hacking is a US government concern, and yet Obama's FBI was satisfied being denied access to investigate the hack.

That was very odd indeed for the DNC to deny the FBI access. Why wasn't our FBI allowed to investigate a hack into the DNC?
You said: The point people are making

The point is these are nobodies you cannot identify.



I don't believe squat you are saying. GIVE us the proof.
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The intelligence community's assessment is that it was only Russia that did so.

Senator Kennedy knows this. He's a smart man, an an attorney who attended the University of Oxford, Phi Beta Kappa, etc.

So why is he spreading Russian propaganda?

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...93850046550016
Demonicrats get everything wrong and this is just another example of that.
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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Fiona Hill was quite clear that this Ukraine theory was Russian propaganda and should not be repeated, period. She is Trumps own selection as an expert on Russia, we should listen to her.


Kennedy threw out several news sources but was short on specifics, he could have quoted one or two articles with their authors, This seems evasive. Point me to one of his articles and I would gladly read it.
Hill rejected the CrowdStrike allegations. There's more than that to Ukraine meddling --- for example, the disclosure of supposedly secret documents about Manafort, and Alexandra Chalupa's get dirt on Trump connections with the Ukraine Embassy, DNC, and Clinton campaign
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You said: The point people are making

The point is these are nobodies you cannot identify.



I don't believe squat you are saying. GIVE us the proof.
I gave you plenty of links, I'll not hold your hand.

I suspect some people do not want "proof," because they have already absorbed all the conspiracy theories and talking points from their favorite biased partisan Democratic Party leaning cable TV news commentator.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:15 PM
 
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It's not that Crowdstrike is nefarious in some way.

The point people are making is that the DNC claims it was hacked by a foreign hacker, and the DNC denied access to our own FBI, to the computers and servers at the DNC. Election hacking is a US government concern, and yet Obama's FBI was satisfied being denied access to investigate the hack.

That was very odd indeed for the DNC to deny the FBI access. Why wasn't our FBI allowed to investigate a hack into the DNC?
I've heard Crowdstrike's handling of the compromised server as a honeypot strategy. They left it open and accessible. They again mentioned it during the debates, and Trump derided Clinton by saying he hoped the Russians would hack her server. That's when the Russia hack story started.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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Understatement. Remember, that Trump used Russian Propaganda to win the election. Who knows what might have happened if people didn't fall for the Russian "Seth Richards Hoax", which Trump himself actively spread.
There is no "Seth Rich hoax". He was murdered, the crime is unsolved, and the people with the only known (possible) motive are DNC people upset that he (allegedly) leaked all those emails to Wikileaks. The Feds have displayed a distinct lack of curiosity about the murder.

Declaring something a "hoax" requires evidence, and you have absolutely none.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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Ukraine didn't interfere in 2016, Trump officials testified
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...stimony-068095
LOL. They aren't Trump officials, and they are pretty loose with the truth.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Once again, it's Russian propaganda to claim that the official government policy of Ukraine was to meddle in the US election.

It is not propaganda that the Ukraine court indicted citizens in Ukraine for meddling in our election.

Read a few of those links that Kennedy referenced. No one is claiming that the meddling in the US 2016 presidential election was some kind of official policy by the Ukraine government.


Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - Politico

Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - New York Times

Did Ukraine try to interfere in the 2016 election on Clinton's behalf? - CBS News

The Full Scope of Ukraine’s Impact on the 2016 Election Has Yet to Be Examined - The Nation

The only article Kennedy indicated out of your links was Politico (assuming that was the article) referencing dirt on Manafort, his connections to Ukraine and Yanukovych were well known. That doesn't come close to the efforts by Putin to undermine Clinton as indicated in the article. There is disagreement on the charges regarding the release of information under laws in Ukraine.
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