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Old 12-02-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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AnesthesiaMD, Calling Schiff or the Bidens as witnesses to trump's investigation about using tax paid funds appropriated for national security for personal purposes would be like giving a patient a lipid emulsion instead of Propofol for induction of anesthesia.

In other words, the witnesses the GOP want to call are for appearance sake only to fool the vulnerable and are not appropriate for the issue at hand.
It is the administrations argument, that nothing he may have done, rises to the level of impeachment. To effectively argue this, they need there to be a general perception that the impeachment hearings are “for appearance sake only to fool the vulnerable”.

If that is their argument, then it looks like one side is allowing itself to call witnesses for ”appearances sake” while disallowing the other side to do the same. It doesn’t help when the vast majority of the testimony was hearsay. In my opinion, it is perceived as unfair by your average citizen.

This might have stood a chance if Schiff didn’t seem like a man on a mission. Or, a vendetta. It might Have stood a chance if the democrats made themselves seem more inclusive. Or to say to themselves, “Instead of doing what we are allowed to do, maybe we should do things that appeal to people’s sense of fairness.” But they didn't do any of this, which is why this will fail. They may well impeach him, but there is zero chance the senate will convict in the current climate.

 
Old 12-02-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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No you don’t.
Little do you know.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Trump. I’m taking my marbles and going home. You’re mean.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Don't be mad when others comment on what you now claim is an inability to express your thoughts cogently. The spirit of your post suggested that it was somehow "unfair" that Trump is not being given the opportunity to present tangential witnesses purely to bolster a claim of prosecutorial bias, which is not a good point given that both (a) there is no prosecutor here; and (b) political bias is inherent in any impeachment process.
Not that it is “unfair”. That it is perceived as unfair. Which for these purposes, is a lot more important.

And again, you even correct the words that you, yourself, put in my mouth.

I didn’t say prosecutorial bias, but if I did, couldn’t you understand that I would have been referring to Schiff and the democrats? And move on with the conversation? It seems like you are grasping onto whatever you think might win you the argument, rather than get to the truth. To what is happening in reality.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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DJT knows he couldn't stop himself from lying under oath, and he remembers what happens to Clinton. Discretion is the better part of valor. Not that DJT is particularly discrete.
Donald Trump lacks the aptitude to testify live. The talk Donald Trump does at campaign rallies and helipads is nothing but buffoonery.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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What a whiner.

Trump's favorite words are "It's not fair!"

Remember the GOP primaries? How often did you hear, "It's not fair"?

Trade wars? "It's not fair" whine.

Impeachment inquiry? "It's not fair".

IRS audits? "It's not fair".

Nordstrum drops Ivanka's lines? "It's not fair".

Manafort? "It's not fair".

Flynn? "It's not fair".

Dinesh d'Sousa? "It's not fair".

You get the idea. Trump is a whiner, and the MAGAts love him for it. This time Trump whines, and whines and whines about the impeachment inquiry not being fair, and when he is given the chance to present his perspectives, he turtles and runs away.

What a wimp. What a truly despicable, dishonest person.
It's ironic how the alt-right co-opted the word "snowflake" to describe liberals, than they go off and elect the biggest snowflake that ever lived for President.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Really not a big deal. IIRC Clinton didn't appear in Congress when he was impeached and Nixon never left the White House during Watergate but neither of them walked away unscathed.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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It is the administrations argument, that nothing he may have done, rises to the level of impeachment. To effectively argue this, they need there to be a general perception that the impeachment hearings are “for appearance sake only to fool the vulnerable”.
Where are you getting this from? The administration's argument has always been that there was no quid pro quo, not that such a quid pro quo is not an impeachable offense. Frankly, if the White House's position was that it is not an impeachable offense, now is the time for them to participate most actively since the judiciary committee's singular focus will be whether the facts as present rise to such a level.

Of course, Trump still refuses to participate. Presumably that is because their arguments are so weak they believe its better to hurl insults about the rules of the game from the sidelines rather than take the field.
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:21 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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No person has to comply with unlawful orders.
People are not property, no matter who they are.
You people are Communist and evil.
Now the constitution is "unlawful" at least where it pertains to Trump.

Paging King George, do you want your crown back now?
 
Old 12-02-2019, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by normstad View Post
What a whiner.

Trump's favorite words are "It's not fair!"

Remember the GOP primaries? How often did you hear, "It's not fair"?

Trade wars? "It's not fair" whine.

Impeachment inquiry? "It's not fair".

IRS audits? "It's not fair".

Nordstrum drops Ivanka's lines? "It's not fair".

Manafort? "It's not fair".

Flynn? "It's not fair".

Dinesh d'Sousa? "It's not fair".

You get the idea. Trump is a whiner, and the MAGAts love him for it. This time Trump whines, and whines and whines about the impeachment inquiry not being fair, and when he is given the chance to present his perspectives, he turtles and runs away.

What a wimp. What a truly despicable, dishonest person.
Trump has very odd priorities. He goes on about how "he's very busy running the country" and bragging about the big NATO meeting.

So what is he doing on the plane? Educating himself about issues to be discussed? Learning about world events? Reading a book? Nope--the idiot is tweeting 6th grade comments about Chuck Todd. Wish we had a real president.
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