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Old 12-02-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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17 US Intelligence Agencies say that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections and that allegations of Ukrainian election meddling is a Russian inspired hoax.


Vlad Putin says that Russia did not meddle in the US election and that it was Ukraine and some fruitcakes say that both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the election despite not a single iota of evidence to support the allegation that Ukraine meddled in our elections.

That is a tough one.

Who to believe: US Intelligence Agencies or Putin and Fruitcakes.

I'll go for the US Intelligence agencies. I am not a fan of Putin or fruitcakes.

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Old 12-02-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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Remember, this is what conservatives want. CU.

Citizens United for those who don't remember.

I remember way back when...campaign finance was a real thing. Now, thanks to the Alt-Right, it's completely hopeless.

But, hey, Russians have "free speech" here too, right?
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:22 AM
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Please stop!!! I'm getting my daily laugh from the liberals here and my stomach hurts - I can't stop laughing!
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Trump is in the bag for special interests. Especially foreign interests.

That's probably why.

Don't worry though, Russian disinformation campaigns will keep on chugging out more lies for Trump, so it looks like your guy is in good hands ...

What I don't understand is how in the lead up to the 2016 election Obama himself joked about and made it clear that it was impossible for a foreign country to influence the election. Then Trump won and suddenly the big bad Russians were responsible for influencing the election?


I don't understand the "disinformation" that you claim the Russians spread? Anyone that had their eyes open understood that Hillary was a terrible candidate that we ready to continue the Obama legacy that millions of voters were not happy about. Hillary was mired in scandal from Benghazi to her secret Email server and the hypocrisy from the media helped to seal the Trump win.
We didn't need any disinformation to recognize this. It was all vey clear.

No matter which Democrat is nominated do we need to look beyond their pledges to hand citizen Rights to illegal aliens, go easy on hardened criminals, the green new deal nonsense, taxing the rich to give to the poor, reparations, dismantling big business and handing out free healthcare and education with no idea of how to pay for it which when translated means that the hard working tax payers will.

Do we need anymore evidence that Trump is the only candidate for the future of America? We don't need any Russians to tell us this.
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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Trump is in the bag for special interests. Especially foreign interests.

That's probably why.

Don't worry though, Russian disinformation campaigns will keep on chugging out more lies for Trump, so it looks like your guy is in good hands ...
How many millions did the Clinton "foundation" collect from foreigners?

Funny that it stopped once she was out of office. I wonder why.
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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Remember, this is what conservatives want. CU.

Citizens United for those who don't remember.

I remember way back when...campaign finance was a real thing. Now, thanks to the Alt-Right, it's completely hopeless.

But, hey, Russians have "free speech" here too, right?
First Amendment.
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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The evidence is overwhelming that Ukraine meddled to defeat Trump, while Russia meddled to defeat Hillary. That's the facts!!1

Show us the evidence.



The evidence is overwhelming that Ukraine meddled to defeat Trump
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Many of the deleted pro-Trump ads are posted by Russian intelligence, but many are directly from Trump campaign. It is hard to tell them apart.
Yeah -- the Trump campaign doesn't really need help in spreading lies and disinformation.

The Russian meddler corps has only one goal and that is to create division in the US by triggering different competing factions across cultural or political fault lines. They don't specifically favor Trump for any ideological or political reason but he is a gigantic patsy that does their work for them by stimulating divisions, fostering extremists, and opening new points of conflict that they can exploit.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:08 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Why only Trump ads?

Have any stats on any of the other people running for office with the same outcome?
The review was specifically looking for those ads, since in the past they have been the subject of an investigation over Russian interference. That doesn't mean the same thing won't happen to ads for other candidates.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:56 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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The evidence is overwhelming that Ukraine meddled to defeat Trump, while Russia meddled to defeat Hillary. That's the facts!!1

What evidence? A Trump tweet?
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