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Old 12-03-2019, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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The fact that fewer black and "hispanic" students get into these specialized schools in NYC has to do with the lower level of academic achievement of these groups and not because of admissions discrimination at the schools.

If people really want these schools to be more "diverse" they need to do the work to make sure minority students are prepared to compete. Protesting does nothing constructive.

As a minority who has previously had to work tutoring lazy inner-city D students, I don't think protesting for them is helping at all. It might be a righteous cause if there were an abundance of excellent motivated minority students who weren't getting accepted for some superficial reason, but that's not the case at all.

Yes, but often government bends to the protesters since the MEDIA creates and molds public opinion to support them. Then we get even more Affirmative Action with mandates along racial lines. Who loses? The qualified kids who don't get in to a spot they deserve. The unqualified kids can't or don't want to perform so they have to LOWER EVERYONE'S STANDARDS. Now everyone loses.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Yes, but often government bends to the protesters since the MEDIA creates and molds public opinion to support them. Then we get even more Affirmative Action with mandates along racial lines. Who loses? The qualified kids who don't get in to a spot they deserve. The unqualified kids can't or don't want to perform so they have to LOWER EVERYONE'S STANDARDS. Now everyone loses.
Soon employers will compare degrees of applicants based "before or after affirmative action". Your B.S. from XXX University will be scrutinized for grade inflation.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Boston
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here's how it came to be half-white

Beacon’s student population is about half white, a striking anomaly in a public school system that is nearly 70 percent black and Hispanic. Beacon is not a specialized high school — it has no admissions test — but its highly competitive admissions process requires students to assemble a portfolio of middle school work, admissions essays and high standardized test scores and grades. It is one of the most selective schools in New York: Last year, there were over 5,800 applications for 360 ninth-grade seats.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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further evidence that we are entering clownworld.

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Old 12-03-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I'd call them idiots but that would escalate them to a level of intelligence they haven't demonstrated as having achieved.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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The unspoken *problem* in most of these complaints is that in order to "fairly balance" racial representation in these magnet schools and in colleges and the faculty teaching at these colleges guess what would have to occur?

Spoiler
We'd have to kick out asians.


I'd be shocked frankly if there hasn't already begun a push by some to rebrand certain other minorities as being "white".
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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Soon employers will compare degrees of applicants based "before or after affirmative action". Your B.S. from XXX University will be scrutinized for grade inflation.
In the STEM fields you can tell right away who knows what they're doing and who doesn't. A lot of engineering companies won't even look at candidates from some schools as they know that while there may be a pearl or two there...it's a lot of working digging when they can get a ton of good potential candidates elsewhere in a single recruiting trip.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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The fact that fewer black and "hispanic" students get into these specialized schools in NYC has to do with the lower level of academic achievement of these groups and not because of admissions discrimination at the schools.

If people really want these schools to be more "diverse" they need to do the work to make sure minority students are prepared to compete. Protesting does nothing constructive.

As a minority who has previously had to work tutoring lazy inner-city D students, I don't think protesting for them is helping at all. It might be a righteous cause if there were an abundance of excellent motivated minority students who weren't getting accepted for some superficial reason, but that's not the case at all.
I would say that most of it has to do with lower levels of academic achievement but some of it could be racially or ethnically-motivated. That is, discrimination is a very tiny but still severe reason for such discriminations.
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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I would say that most of it has to do with lower levels of academic achievement but some of it could be racially or ethnically-motivated. That is, discrimination is a very tiny but still severe reason for such discriminations.
No. There are no racial barriers anymore and an abundance of opportunities and federally funded programs to help minority students these days. But the problem is actually getting them to do the work. NYC minority youth are horrible...I wouldn't protest for them. These are kids who don't care to go to class half the time. Why should they get into specialized schools?

The minority students who do well, get in without problems.

Calling this "Jim Crow" serves to mock history.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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I feel sorry for the small amount of whites of the future. They will be hunted down, enslaved and/or killed.
Kinda like what's happening to farmers in South Africa...
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